From clock at twibright.com  Thu Feb  1 18:53:23 2007
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:53:23 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] led option
In-Reply-To: <95bc04d80701301148p6a7d5479s4e854ddcee17fbc9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95bc04d80701301148p6a7d5479s4e854ddcee17fbc9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070201185323.GA4849@kestrel.barix.local>

On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:48:21PM -0200, john gartner wrote:
> Hi:
> 
>   I found the led HPWT-BD00-00000 for $0.40 each (need to buy 60 units)
> and the led HPWT-BD00-F4000 for $3.00 each (!) (need to buy 60 units).

I think the only place in the Ronja website where you are instructed to get a
HPWT-BD00-* diode is the material list. That page also contains "Equivalents",
with a detailed answer to your question.

If there is another place where you are instructed to get HPWT-BD00 without
an equivalents list please tell me I'll fix it.

CL<


From gartjohn at gmail.com  Thu Feb  1 22:14:06 2007
From: gartjohn at gmail.com (john gartner)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 20:14:06 -0200
Subject: [Ronja] led option
In-Reply-To: <20070201185323.GA4849@kestrel.barix.local>
References: <95bc04d80701301148p6a7d5479s4e854ddcee17fbc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070201185323.GA4849@kestrel.barix.local>
Message-ID: <95bc04d80702011414l49c05071wbf29c136766f30ee@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Karel:

   Sorry, but I think I didn't make myself clear. The site is perfect,
very complete. Very nice indeed.
   I would like to assemble two units, one with visible light
leds and one with infrared. Digging the web I just found the two
leds that I've listed in my previous e-mail.
The one that costs 0.40 is too weak, according to Arun.
I really want to get the HPWT-BD00-F4000, but it's not easy task.
Until now I just get one quote, $3.00 a piece, and the minimun
order is 60 leds !
I sent an e-mail to boza2 at volny.cz hoping that he could sell me
a few leds. But I didn't get an answer yet.

The infrared leds seems even harder to get: I didn't manage to get
any quote for them, yet...

Thanks,
JG.

On 2/1/07, Karel Kulhavy <clock at twibright.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:48:21PM -0200, john gartner wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> >   I found the led HPWT-BD00-00000 for $0.40 each (need to buy 60 units)
> > and the led HPWT-BD00-F4000 for $3.00 each (!) (need to buy 60 units).
>
> I think the only place in the Ronja website where you are instructed to
> get a
> HPWT-BD00-* diode is the material list. That page also contains
> "Equivalents",
> with a detailed answer to your question.
>
> If there is another place where you are instructed to get HPWT-BD00
> without
> an equivalents list please tell me I'll fix it.
>
> CL<
>
> --
> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>
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From arunk at speedpost.net  Fri Feb  2 17:18:10 2007
From: arunk at speedpost.net (Arun Krishnan)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:48:10 +0530
Subject: [Ronja] led option
In-Reply-To: <95bc04d80702011414l49c05071wbf29c136766f30ee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95bc04d80701301148p6a7d5479s4e854ddcee17fbc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070201185323.GA4849@kestrel.barix.local>
	<95bc04d80702011414l49c05071wbf29c136766f30ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1170436690.32350.1172611351@webmail.messagingengine.com>

I found the IR LEDs easier to get and in small quantities (4 min). If
you are in the US, look up Digikey.com. RSwww.com if you're in the UK.
Both have their IR TX and RX devices. I don't know about other countries
(I'm in India, and RS has a local branch here, lucky me.)

Regards,
Arun


----- Original message -----
From: "john gartner" <gartjohn at gmail.com>
To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 20:14:06 -0200
Subject: Re: [Ronja] led option

Hi Karel:

   Sorry, but I think I didn't make myself clear. The site is perfect,
very complete. Very nice indeed.
   I would like to assemble two units, one with visible light
leds and one with infrared. Digging the web I just found the two
leds that I've listed in my previous e-mail.
The one that costs 0.40 is too weak, according to Arun.
I really want to get the HPWT-BD00-F4000, but it's not easy task.
Until now I just get one quote, $3.00 a piece, and the minimun
order is 60 leds !
I sent an e-mail to boza2 at volny.cz hoping that he could sell me
a few leds. But I didn't get an answer yet.

The infrared leds seems even harder to get: I didn't manage to get
any quote for them, yet...

Thanks,
JG.

On 2/1/07, Karel Kulhavy <clock at twibright.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:48:21PM -0200, john gartner wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> >   I found the led HPWT-BD00-00000 for $0.40 each (need to buy 60 units)
> > and the led HPWT-BD00-F4000 for $3.00 each (!) (need to buy 60 units).
>
> I think the only place in the Ronja website where you are instructed to
> get a
> HPWT-BD00-* diode is the material list. That page also contains
> "Equivalents",
> with a detailed answer to your question.
>
> If there is another place where you are instructed to get HPWT-BD00
> without
> an equivalents list please tell me I'll fix it.
>
> CL<
>
> --
> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>


From gartjohn at gmail.com  Fri Feb  2 21:37:46 2007
From: gartjohn at gmail.com (john gartner)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:37:46 -0200
Subject: [Ronja] led option
In-Reply-To: <1170436690.32350.1172611351@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <95bc04d80701301148p6a7d5479s4e854ddcee17fbc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070201185323.GA4849@kestrel.barix.local>
	<95bc04d80702011414l49c05071wbf29c136766f30ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<1170436690.32350.1172611351@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <95bc04d80702021337n9f3aa2as4b65518dccfac4d6@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/2/07, Arun Krishnan <arunk at speedpost.net> wrote:
>
> I found the IR LEDs easier to get and in small quantities (4 min). If
> you are in the US, look up Digikey.com. RSwww.com if you're in the UK.
> Both have their IR TX and RX devices. I don't know about other countries
> (I'm in India, and RS has a local branch here, lucky me.)
>
>
Bingo ! Digikey US has the infrared leds. Less than a buck each !

Thanks,
jg.
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From clock at twibright.com  Wed Feb  7 07:38:32 2007
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:38:32 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] FSO overview in Spanish
Message-ID: <20070207073832.GA5922@kestrel.barix.local>

Here is an FSO overview in Spanish by Prof. Ermanno Pietrosemoli from
Latin American foundation of network schools and University of the Andes,
Venezuela. It mentions both commercial systems and Ronja.

http://www.wilac.net/descargas/documentos/8va_eslared/11_Transmision_Optica_inalambrica.pdf

CL<


From ladmanj at volny.cz  Wed Feb  7 11:30:13 2007
From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:30:13 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] FSO overview in Spanish
In-Reply-To: <20070207073832.GA5922@kestrel.barix.local>
References: <20070207073832.GA5922@kestrel.barix.local>
Message-ID: <200702071230.13502.ladmanj@volny.cz>

Ten dokument vypada moc pekne, jen skoda ze je spanelsky.

Dne st?eda 07 ?nor 2007 08:38 Karel Kulhavy napsal(a):
> Here is an FSO overview in Spanish by Prof. Ermanno Pietrosemoli from
> Latin American foundation of network schools and University of the Andes,
> Venezuela. It mentions both commercial systems and Ronja.
>
> http://www.wilac.net/descargas/documentos/8va_eslared/11_Transmision_Optica
>_inalambrica.pdf
>
> CL<


From clock at twibright.com  Thu Feb  8 22:47:48 2007
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 23:47:48 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Removed "bugging bird", changed the titlepage
Message-ID: <20070208224748.GA2726@kestrel.barix.local>

Hi

I have changed the titlepage by replacing the bird mascot with a picture of
a real Ronja device. The bird mascot now replaces the "bugging bird" someone
complained about and asks the visitor if he found what he was looking for.

I hope this is better than before. Your opinion is welcome.

CL<


From hnizdil at gmail.com  Thu Feb  8 23:25:16 2007
From: hnizdil at gmail.com (Honza Hnizdil)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 00:25:16 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Removed "bugging bird", changed the titlepage
In-Reply-To: <20070208224748.GA2726@kestrel.barix.local>
References: <20070208224748.GA2726@kestrel.barix.local>
Message-ID: <d1da6610702081525nf93e8e7kbea8644f1ce5b6f9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
just a detail. When I click on the bird asking if i miss some
information, the PHP warning occurs in the loaded page:
Warning: Missing argument 2 for insertimage() in
/home/clock/www/twibright.com/ronja/obr.php on line 36

On 2/8/07, Karel Kulhavy <clock at twibright.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have changed the titlepage by replacing the bird mascot with a picture of
> a real Ronja device. The bird mascot now replaces the "bugging bird" someone
> complained about and asks the visitor if he found what he was looking for.
>
> I hope this is better than before. Your opinion is welcome.
>
> CL<
>
> --
> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>


From clock at twibright.com  Fri Feb  9 08:41:37 2007
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:41:37 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Removed "bugging bird", changed the titlepage
In-Reply-To: <d1da6610702081525nf93e8e7kbea8644f1ce5b6f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070208224748.GA2726@kestrel.barix.local>
	<d1da6610702081525nf93e8e7kbea8644f1ce5b6f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070209084137.GA4282@kestrel.barix.local>

On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:25:16AM +0100, Honza Hnizdil wrote:
> Hi,
> just a detail. When I click on the bird asking if i miss some
> information, the PHP warning occurs in the loaded page:
> Warning: Missing argument 2 for insertimage() in
> /home/clock/www/twibright.com/ronja/obr.php on line 36

Thanks, fixed. Now after upgrade of the Apache on my desktop it seems that
PHP error messages are not printed into the document anymore.

CL<


From hnizdil at gmail.com  Fri Feb  9 10:16:16 2007
From: hnizdil at gmail.com (Honza Hnizdil)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:16:16 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Removed "bugging bird", changed the titlepage
In-Reply-To: <20070209084137.GA4282@kestrel.barix.local>
References: <20070208224748.GA2726@kestrel.barix.local>
	<d1da6610702081525nf93e8e7kbea8644f1ce5b6f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070209084137.GA4282@kestrel.barix.local>
Message-ID: <d1da6610702090216u34e4d811p2dfff1579e1eb8ef@mail.gmail.com>

Now, with the picture of ronja tubuses, it will take visitors less
time to realize what the pages are about. I think.

On 2/9/07, Karel Kulhavy <clock at twibright.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 12:25:16AM +0100, Honza Hnizdil wrote:
> > Hi,
> > just a detail. When I click on the bird asking if i miss some
> > information, the PHP warning occurs in the loaded page:
> > Warning: Missing argument 2 for insertimage() in
> > /home/clock/www/twibright.com/ronja/obr.php on line 36
>
> Thanks, fixed. Now after upgrade of the Apache on my desktop it seems that
> PHP error messages are not printed into the document anymore.
>
> CL<
>
> --
> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
>


From clock at twibright.com  Sat Feb 10 14:26:17 2007
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:26:17 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] ronja
In-Reply-To: <200702101144.19465@centrum.cz>
References: <200702101144.19465@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <20070210142617.GA25621@kestrel.barix.local>

On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 11:44:15AM +0100, Milan   Petr?ilka wrote:
> Zdravim,
>  j? se z toho fakt zbl?znim. U? p?l roku se sna?im d?t dohromady alespo?
>  jednu interface Twister, ale po??d to nejde! Vyleptal jsem plosnak, osadil..

If you etch the Twister board yourself there is no throughplating and there
is quite high probability some pin is soldered only on one side.

>  a pri zkousce digitalniho loopbacku .. nic. Jen se ob?as p?i zapojen?
>  nap?jen? rozsv?tila ?erven? LED. Tak sem si objednal nep?jiv? kontakn? pole,
>  a poskl?dal to na n?j.. A ZASE TO NEJDE. ??m to muze byt? Ja to proste

I wouldn't expect Twister to work on breadboard.

>  nechapu. Ktery soucastky sou nejvetsi pricinou neuspechu? Co nejvich
>  odchazi? Da se vubec v tehlech pripadech diagnostikovat problem? 

Try your self-eatched board and forget the breadboard. Wash it and inspect
and make sure all through-platings are connected on both sides.

CL<

> Dikys moc za kazdou radu, Milan Petr?ilka Louny
> 




From schum at seznam.cz  Sat Feb 10 20:09:37 2007
From: schum at seznam.cz (Schumann Miroslav)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:09:37 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] ronja
In-Reply-To: <20070210142617.GA25621@kestrel.barix.local>
References: <200702101144.19465@centrum.cz>
	<20070210142617.GA25621@kestrel.barix.local>
Message-ID: <45CE2681.5090806@seznam.cz>

Karel Kulhavy napsal(a):
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 11:44:15AM +0100, Milan   Petr?ilka wrote:
>   
>> Zdravim,
>>  j? se z toho fakt zbl?znim. U? p?l roku se sna?im d?t dohromady alespo?
>>  jednu interface Twister, ale po??d to nejde! Vyleptal jsem plosnak, osadil..
>>     
>
> If you etch the Twister board yourself there is no throughplating and there
> is quite high probability some pin is soldered only on one side.
>
>   
>>  a pri zkousce digitalniho loopbacku .. nic. Jen se ob?as p?i zapojen?
>>  nap?jen? rozsv?tila ?erven? LED. Tak sem si objednal nep?jiv? kontakn? pole,
>>  a poskl?dal to na n?j.. A ZASE TO NEJDE. ??m to muze byt? Ja to proste
>>     
>
> I wouldn't expect Twister to work on breadboard.
>
>   
>>  nechapu. Ktery soucastky sou nejvetsi pricinou neuspechu? Co nejvich
>>  odchazi? Da se vubec v tehlech pripadech diagnostikovat problem? 
>>     
>
> Try your self-eatched board and forget the breadboard. Wash it and inspect
> and make sure all through-platings are connected on both sides.
>
> CL<
>
>   
>> Dikys moc za kazdou radu, Milan Petr?ilka Louny
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   
cau

odpoved je jednoducha
pouzij ORIGINALNI tistaky a nic NELEPTEJ!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mirek


From clock at twibright.com  Sun Feb 11 21:47:29 2007
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:47:29 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Massive star wars in Tisnov
Message-ID: <20070211214729.GA23851@kestrel.barix.local>

I would say Tisnov has pictures of the most massive star wars ever :)

Here I tried to process one picture for impression:
http://images.twibright.com/tns/1f5c.html
http://images.twibright.com/tns/1f60.html

The remaining pictures of star wars from different angles:
http://images.twibright.com/tns/1f14.html

CL<


From cd930 at centrum.cz  Mon Feb 12 10:16:43 2007
From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:16:43 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] ronja
In-Reply-To: <20070210142617.GA25621@kestrel.barix.local>
References: 200702101144.19465@centrum.cz> <200702101144.19465@centrum.cz>
	<20070210142617.GA25621@kestrel.barix.local>
Message-ID: <200702121116.23781@centrum.cz>


Prijed vedle do Zatce, mam tady starsi tistaky a par hotovych spoju.
Jukni do galerie.
Nebo muzem dat scuch v Lounech, treba v te hospudce nad kinem (u kostela).
Vergly bych vzal sebou.
-=RYS=-

______________________________________________________________
> Od: clock na twibright.com
> Komu: Milan Petr??ilka <mrkvomail na centrum.cz>
> CC: Twibright Ronja <ronja na lists.pointless.net>
> Datum: 10.02.2007 15:26
> P?edm?t: Re: [Ronja] ronja
>
>On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 11:44:15AM +0100, Milan ? Petr?ilka wrote:
>> Zdravim,
>> ?j? se z toho fakt zbl?znim. U? p?l roku se sna?im d?t dohromady alespo?
>> ?jednu interface Twister, ale po??d to nejde! Vyleptal jsem plosnak, osadil..
>
>If you etch the Twister board yourself there is no throughplating and there
>is quite high probability some pin is soldered only on one side.
>
>> ?a pri zkousce digitalniho loopbacku .. nic. Jen se ob?as p?i zapojen?
>> ?nap?jen? rozsv?tila ?erven? LED. Tak sem si objednal nep?jiv? kontakn? pole,
>> ?a poskl?dal to na n?j.. A ZASE TO NEJDE. ??m to muze byt? Ja to proste
>
>I wouldn't expect Twister to work on breadboard.
>
>> ?nechapu. Ktery soucastky sou nejvetsi pricinou neuspechu? Co nejvich
>> ?odchazi? Da se vubec v tehlech pripadech diagnostikovat problem? 
>Try your self-eatched board and forget the breadboard. Wash it and inspect
>and make sure all through-platings are connected on both sides.
>
>CL<
>
>> Dikys moc za kazdou radu, Milan Petr?ilka Louny
>> 
>
>
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>Ronja na lists.pointless.net
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From clock at twibright.com  Mon Feb 12 10:44:12 2007
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:44:12 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] ronja c. 2 v tisnove
In-Reply-To: <000501c73739$7d59f720$5046a8c0@cipis.net>
References: <000501c73739$7d59f720$5046a8c0@cipis.net>
Message-ID: <20070212104412.GA29459@kestrel.barix.local>

On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 06:37:25PM +0100, Cipis wrote:
> Ahojte,
> tak dneska se podarilo rozchodit druhy spoj v Tisnove:
> http://www.cipis.net/ronja/foto/cipis.net/02_k_providerovi/
> Je to na ~370m, slouzi to k pripojeni k providerovi misto pomaleho tranga.
> Je to uz treti lokace tohoto spoje, predtim byl nekde u Trnavy na dvou 
> mistech, koupil jsem to od znameho, co to sundal.

Tak, uz jsem se konecne slavnostne doklepal k tomu, abych to do ty galerie
nainstalovanejch spoju pridal! Snad jsou ted uz ty fotky spravne, snazil jsem
se ;-)

Tim 1V v saturaci mas na mysli, ze kdyz se to osviti z blizka tak to jde
max. jen na 1V? Typicky to bejva 3-4V, se divim...

CL<


From clock at twibright.com  Mon Feb 12 10:52:33 2007
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:52:33 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] ronja c. 2 v tisnove
In-Reply-To: <001c01c7382e$cee42de0$5046a8c0@cipis.net>
References: <000501c73739$7d59f720$5046a8c0@cipis.net>
	<200701132003.6560@centrum.cz>
	<001c01c7382e$cee42de0$5046a8c0@cipis.net>
Message-ID: <20070212105233.GA10124@kestrel.barix.local>

On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 11:53:29PM +0100, Cipis wrote:
> Zatim to jede par hodin, tak jeste neni cas na nejaky zaver.
> Teda, krome toho na samotnou konstrukci pojitka - nikdy vice.
> Stelovani zamereni cert to vem, je to jen 370 metru, ale uchyceni modulu v 
> tubusech - ble smrt.
> To budu muset predelat. Nekdy :-)
> 
> traffic:
> http://www.cipis.net/cgi-bin/mrtg-rrd.cgi/eth0.html (je to v Bajtech!)
> ping:
> http://www.cipis.net/cgi-bin/mrtg-rrd.cgi/ping.html (to zelene)

Tak na ty jsem taky pridal odkazy do galerie...

> 
> Nemame s providerem jeste domluvenou rychlost, nicmene pri testech jsme mu 
> ucpali uplink do bodu, odkud si to posilame ronjou :-)

Ty grafy jsou nejaky anorekticky, protocte to tam poradne nejakym pornem a
filmama at to je jako to bejvalo na koleji v Bratislave, kde to jelo 3 hodiny v
kuse na 100,0% ;-)

CL<


From ladmanj at volny.cz  Mon Feb 12 21:36:01 2007
From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:36:01 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Now Ronja has better videos than anyone else
In-Reply-To: <20070115075923.GA23173@kestrel.twibright.com>
References: <20070115075923.GA23173@kestrel.twibright.com>
Message-ID: <200702122236.02194.ladmanj@volny.cz>

Ve formatu wmv v prehravaci MPlayer 1.0rc1-4.1.1 se toto video rozpadne okolo 
hlav sroubu mezi ctvrtou a patou sekundou  
http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/mast_wmv.avi

Tady http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/holder_wmv.avi se hned odzacatku objevi 
dole nesmyslna zelena plocha a zmizi az skoro ke konci.


Zkouseno dnes 12.2. 2007

V ostatnich formatech co jsem mel moznost vyzkouset, tento problem neni.

Jakub Ladman


Dne pond?l? 15 leden 2007 08:59 Karel Kulhavy napsal(a):
> I have developed and algorithm for improved video encoding called
> Twibright Hyperluma and deployd it on the automatically rendered 3D videos
> of Ronja.
>
> Algorithm: http://ronja.twibright.com/hyperluma.php
> Ronja 3D videos: http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/
>
> CL<


From clock at twibright.com  Tue Feb 13 07:11:40 2007
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:11:40 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Now Ronja has better videos than anyone else
In-Reply-To: <200702122236.02194.ladmanj@volny.cz>
References: <20070115075923.GA23173@kestrel.twibright.com>
	<200702122236.02194.ladmanj@volny.cz>
Message-ID: <20070213071140.GA19635@kestrel.barix.local>

On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 10:36:01PM +0100, Jakub Ladman wrote:
> Ve formatu wmv v prehravaci MPlayer 1.0rc1-4.1.1 se toto video rozpadne okolo 
> hlav sroubu mezi ctvrtou a patou sekundou  
> http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/mast_wmv.avi

MPlayer 1.0pre8-3.3.5
clock at kestrel:~/creat/ronja/trunk/3d$ mplayer -fs mast_wmv.avi
MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: init_video_codec

mplayer is crap.

VLC plays the video just fine for me.

> 
> Tady http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/holder_wmv.avi se hned odzacatku objevi 
> dole nesmyslna zelena plocha a zmizi az skoro ke konci.

mplayer holder_wmv.avi
MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: init_video_codec
Again, mplayer is crap :)

And here too, VLC plays it just fine.

CL<


From clock at twibright.com  Tue Feb 13 21:03:06 2007
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:03:06 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Cheaper capacitors into Twister2
Message-ID: <20070213210306.GA9796@kestrel.barix.local>

Hello

Some time ago JDB wrote that those 2220 1uF ceramic SMD capacitors are
too expensive. Now I checked the offer of my supplier and saw there are
1206 and even 0805 1uF capacitors under "super high capacity" or something
like that and these are cheaper.

I wanted to make the landing patterns smaller but saw there are some
wires going through making it difficult and also realized that when
someone cannot get these small ones and needs to stick with 2220, he would
have a problem.

So I left it at 2220, hoping that it's not a problem to solder a 1206 there.
I think the solder can bridge a small gap. If someone is going to do it please
tell me how it goes.

CL<


From clock at twibright.com  Wed Feb 14 21:06:46 2007
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:06:46 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] http://ronja.twibright.com/get/led.php
In-Reply-To: <45D23DA6.6050002@volny.cz>
References: <45D23DA6.6050002@volny.cz>
Message-ID: <20070214210646.GA32445@kestrel.barix.local>

On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:37:26PM +0100, dj-bobr wrote:
> There is a PHP error on the page - _Fatal error: Call to undefined 
> function: fofoter() in /home/clock/www/twibright.com/ronja/get/led.php 
> on line 12_ . I think that end-user probably shouldn't see this :)

Thanks, fixed.

CL<
> 
> --
> dj-bobr


From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz  Wed Feb 14 22:40:16 2007
From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:40:16 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] ronja c. 2 v tisnove
References: <000501c73739$7d59f720$5046a8c0@cipis.net>
	<20070212104412.GA29459@kestrel.barix.local>
Message-ID: <000e01c75089$194ae9b0$5046a8c0@cipis.net>

Jo, presne tak to myslim.
Nj, holt nejaka upravovana konstrukce.
Jsem zvedav, kdy pojede venku neco meho mimo tech twisteru a switchu ....

Cipis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karel Kulhavy" <clock na twibright.com>
To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja na lists.pointless.net>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Ronja] ronja c. 2 v tisnove
> Tim 1V v saturaci mas na mysli, ze kdyz se to osviti z blizka tak to jde
> max. jen na 1V? Typicky to bejva 3-4V, se divim...
> 
> CL<
> 
> -- 
> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com
> Ronja na lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja


From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz  Wed Feb 14 22:43:31 2007
From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:43:31 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] ronja c. 2 v tisnove
References: <000501c73739$7d59f720$5046a8c0@cipis.net><200701132003.6560@centrum.cz><001c01c7382e$cee42de0$5046a8c0@cipis.net>
	<20070212105233.GA10124@kestrel.barix.local>
Message-ID: <001501c75089$8d93e510$5046a8c0@cipis.net>

Nj, zatim mame jen 6 Mbps full duplex ...
A lidi nejak netahaji ...

Cipis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karel Kulhavy" <clock na twibright.com>
To: "Twibright Ronja" <ronja na lists.pointless.net>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Ronja] ronja c. 2 v tisnove


> On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 11:53:29PM +0100, Cipis wrote:
>> Zatim to jede par hodin, tak jeste neni cas na nejaky zaver.
>> Teda, krome toho na samotnou konstrukci pojitka - nikdy vice.
>> Stelovani zamereni cert to vem, je to jen 370 metru, ale uchyceni modulu 
>> v
>> tubusech - ble smrt.
>> To budu muset predelat. Nekdy :-)
>>
>> traffic:
>> http://www.cipis.net/cgi-bin/mrtg-rrd.cgi/eth0.html (je to v Bajtech!)
>> ping:
>> http://www.cipis.net/cgi-bin/mrtg-rrd.cgi/ping.html (to zelene)
>
> Tak na ty jsem taky pridal odkazy do galerie...
>
>>
>> Nemame s providerem jeste domluvenou rychlost, nicmene pri testech jsme 
>> mu
>> ucpali uplink do bodu, odkud si to posilame ronjou :-)
>
> Ty grafy jsou nejaky anorekticky, protocte to tam poradne nejakym pornem a
> filmama at to je jako to bejvalo na koleji v Bratislave, kde to jelo 3 
> hodiny v
> kuse na 100,0% ;-)
>
> CL<
>
> -- 
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> Ronja na lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja 



From clock at twibright.com  Sun Feb 18 18:21:53 2007
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:21:53 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Helical spring washers ineffective
Message-ID: <20070218182153.GA20951@kestrel.barix.local>

Here is a video where they did an experiment with a bolt, a nut and a helical
spring washer. It shows that helical spring washers prevent loosening even less
than ordinary washers!

http://www.boltscience.com/programs/JunkerTest.zip

Does anyone know whether double nuts prevent losening and if yes, what is the
proper tightening method? Tighten one and then another over it?
Or tighten one, add the second one and tighten the nuts one against the other?

CL<


From asteri_x at freemail.hu  Sun Feb 18 18:55:58 2007
From: asteri_x at freemail.hu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gyurk=F3Martin?=)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:55:58 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Helical spring washers ineffective
In-Reply-To: <20070218182153.GA20951@kestrel.barix.local>
References: <20070218182153.GA20951@kestrel.barix.local>
Message-ID: <45D8A13E.5040609@freemail.hu>

Hi Karel!

Actually, I tried it.
I built a lawnmower, and had to tighten the blade onto the shaft with 
that method.
When you are tightening the second onto the first, the first will be 
moved too, so it is impossible to do it with one tool.
What worked for me: Set the needed force with the first nut, then hold 
the first nut with the tool, and tighten the second onto the first nut 
without moving the fist one. The force mainly goes onto the 2 tools 
during this tightening.

Bye,
Martin

> Does anyone know whether double nuts prevent losening and if yes, what is the
> proper tightening method? Tighten one and then another over it?
> Or tighten one, add the second one and tighten the nuts one against the other?
> 
> CL<
> 


From clock at twibright.com  Sun Feb 18 22:03:34 2007
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:03:34 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Helical spring washers ineffective
In-Reply-To: <45D8A13E.5040609@freemail.hu>
References: <20070218182153.GA20951@kestrel.barix.local>
	<45D8A13E.5040609@freemail.hu>
Message-ID: <20070218220334.GA12669@kestrel.barix.local>

On Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 07:55:58PM +0100, Gyurk?Martin wrote:
> Hi Karel!
> 
> Actually, I tried it.
> I built a lawnmower, and had to tighten the blade onto the shaft with 
> that method.
> When you are tightening the second onto the first, the first will be 
> moved too, so it is impossible to do it with one tool.
> What worked for me: Set the needed force with the first nut, then hold 
> the first nut with the tool, and tighten the second onto the first nut 
> without moving the fist one. The force mainly goes onto the 2 tools 
> during this tightening.

The problem is, the wrench is wider than one nut, so it cannot be inserted
on the inner nut ;-)

I tried: tighten the first nut, then put on the second and turn it (while
not holding anything else) until the assembly turns through.

I tried to turn the bolt to attempt losening but it turns through and
stays the same. So at least in this one specific case it works.

CL<


From clock at twibright.com  Mon Feb 19 20:22:26 2007
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:22:26 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Shop Ronja parts faster with an opensource skateboard
Message-ID: <20070219202225.GA1874@kestrel.barix.local>

The question is how many people here already know how to ride skateboard.
Otherwise they would probably learn longer than how much time they would
save. 

One is for sure - this skateboard is small enough to fit even into a full tram,
bus or train. Can save considerable amount of time when used together with
public transport.

http://ronja.twibright.com/bastard.php

CL<


From clock at twibright.com  Tue Feb 20 07:27:54 2007
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:27:54 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] O'Reilly Ronja coverage
Message-ID: <20070220072754.GB13808@kestrel.barix.local>

Ronja: at 10 Mbps, the next stage in wireless mesh networking?
http://www.oreillynet.com/etel/blog/2007/02/ronja_at_10_mbps_the_next_stag.html

Seems the Ronja website doesn't work at the moment (receive timeout), but
I don't know if there is too much access, or it's just a random, unrelate
event.

CL<


From jim at netgate.com  Tue Feb 20 08:54:07 2007
From: jim at netgate.com (Jim Thompson)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:54:07 -1000
Subject: [Ronja] O'Reilly Ronja coverage
In-Reply-To: <20070220072754.GB13808@kestrel.barix.local>
References: <20070220072754.GB13808@kestrel.barix.local>
Message-ID: <FB587942-00E9-45A1-9344-D6D061837D18@netgate.com>

wow... he actually wrote the story.

(I turned Andy 'on' to Ronja...)

jim

On Feb 19, 2007, at 9:27 PM, Karel Kulhavy wrote:

> Ronja: at 10 Mbps, the next stage in wireless mesh networking?
> http://www.oreillynet.com/etel/blog/2007/02/ 
> ronja_at_10_mbps_the_next_stag.html
>
> Seems the Ronja website doesn't work at the moment (receive  
> timeout), but
> I don't know if there is too much access, or it's just a random,  
> unrelate
> event.
>
> CL<
>
> -- 
> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja



From info at alcom-sro.cz  Thu Feb 22 23:14:29 2007
From: info at alcom-sro.cz (Alcom Systems, s.r.o.)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:14:29 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led
Message-ID: <20070222231437.E017729F820@mail.space4web.org>

Ahojte,

 

delam Ronju poprve a mam nekde chybu v twisteru (verze 1 na PCB). Po
privedeni +12V blika power led - resp. se rozsviti a pak pomalu zhasne (v
intervalu 1,3x za sekundu). Vite nekdo, kde muzu mit chybu?

 

Diky vsem

 

Drahos

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From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz  Fri Feb 23 12:52:22 2007
From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:52:22 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led
In-Reply-To: <20070222231437.E017729F820@mail.space4web.org>
References: <20070222231437.E017729F820@mail.space4web.org>
Message-ID: <op.tn7cpkwhn6qjls@daman>

Ahoj,

asi tam mas nekde zkrat mezi +12V a GND. Jestli pouzivas napajeci zdroj s  
ochranou proti zkratu, tak se to tak potom chova(zdroj prubezne vypina a  
zapina a zkousi, jestli tam je nekde zkrat a kdyz jo, tak zas na chvili  
vypne).

S pozdravem

Daniel Strnad

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:14:29 +0100, Alcom Systems, s.r.o.  
<info na alcom-sro.cz> wrote:

> Ahojte,
>
>
> delam Ronju poprve a mam nekde chybu v twisteru (verze 1 na PCB). Po
> privedeni +12V blika power led - resp. se rozsviti a pak pomalu zhasne (v
> intervalu 1,3x za sekundu). Vite nekdo, kde muzu mit chybu?
>
>
> Diky vsem
>
>
> Drahos
>



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From sanicek at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 15:58:06 2007
From: sanicek at gmail.com (Labrador Sunny)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:58:06 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led
Message-ID: <2f624d110702230758p70a65abbne5ebd4f16a623b4a@mail.gmail.com>

Diky, zni to logicky, ale zkrat by tam byt nemel - mezi +12V a GND jsem
nameril odpor 20,38 Mo.
Resp. to vypada, ze pri odpojenem napajeni tam zkrat neni, ale po privedeni
+12V se tam zkrat nekde objevi (na multimetru to lita od 0 po "mimo rozsah"
pri mereni proudu v rozsahu mA). Je to mozne? Nejsem v elektronice zrovna
expert. (Musel jsem to postnout z jineho mailu, zlobi nas SMTP)

Drahos





-----Original Message-----

From: ronja-bounces+volejnicek=alcom-sro.cz at lists.pointless.net [mailto:
ronja-bounces+volejnicek=alcom-sro.cz at lists.pointless.net] On Behalf Of
Daniel Strnad

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 1:52 PM

To: Twibright Ronja

Subject: Re: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led



Ahoj,

asi tam mas nekde zkrat mezi +12V a GND. Jestli pouzivas napajeci zdroj s

ochranou proti zkratu, tak se to tak potom chova(zdroj prubezne vypina a

zapina a zkousi, jestli tam je nekde zkrat a kdyz jo, tak zas na chvili

vypne).

S pozdravem

Daniel Strnad
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From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz  Fri Feb 23 17:59:17 2007
From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:59:17 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led
In-Reply-To: <2f624d110702230758p70a65abbne5ebd4f16a623b4a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f624d110702230758p70a65abbne5ebd4f16a623b4a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.tn7qw3qen6qjls@daman>

Tak v tom pripade si budto otocil polaritu zdroje, ale mnohem spise si  
opacne zapajel tu velkou ochrannou diodu co v twisteru je. To by  
vysvetlovalo ten vysoky odpor pri mereni ohmmetrem - dioda zacina  
propoustet pri 0,6V

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:58:06 +0100, Labrador Sunny <sanicek na gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Diky, zni to logicky, ale zkrat by tam byt nemel - mezi +12V a GND jsem
> nameril odpor 20,38 Mo.
> Resp. to vypada, ze pri odpojenem napajeni tam zkrat neni, ale po  
> privedeni
> +12V se tam zkrat nekde objevi (na multimetru to lita od 0 po "mimo  
> rozsah"
> pri mereni proudu v rozsahu mA). Je to mozne? Nejsem v elektronice zrovna
> expert. (Musel jsem to postnout z jineho mailu, zlobi nas SMTP)
>
> Drahos
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: ronja-bounces+volejnicek=alcom-sro.cz na lists.pointless.net [mailto:
> ronja-bounces+volejnicek=alcom-sro.cz na lists.pointless.net] On Behalf Of
> Daniel Strnad
>
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 1:52 PM
>
> To: Twibright Ronja
>
> Subject: Re: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led
>
>
>
> Ahoj,
>
> asi tam mas nekde zkrat mezi +12V a GND. Jestli pouzivas napajeci zdroj s
>
> ochranou proti zkratu, tak se to tak potom chova(zdroj prubezne vypina a
>
> zapina a zkousi, jestli tam je nekde zkrat a kdyz jo, tak zas na chvili
>
> vypne).
>
> S pozdravem
>
> Daniel Strnad



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From sanicek at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 21:29:34 2007
From: sanicek at gmail.com (Labrador Sunny)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:29:34 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led
In-Reply-To: <op.tn7qw3qen6qjls@daman>
References: <2f624d110702230758p70a65abbne5ebd4f16a623b4a@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.tn7qw3qen6qjls@daman>
Message-ID: <2f624d110702231329o68d1adb7y7db8ea9eff739da8@mail.gmail.com>

Polarita zdroje je ok a 1N5408 je taky ok. :-(

2007/2/23, Daniel Strnad <daniel.strnad na tiscali.cz>:
>
> Tak v tom pripade si budto otocil polaritu zdroje, ale mnohem spise si
> opacne zapajel tu velkou ochrannou diodu co v twisteru je. To by
> vysvetlovalo ten vysoky odpor pri mereni ohmmetrem - dioda zacina
> propoustet pri 0,6V
>
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:58:06 +0100, Labrador Sunny <sanicek na gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Diky, zni to logicky, ale zkrat by tam byt nemel - mezi +12V a GND jsem
> > nameril odpor 20,38 Mo.
> > Resp. to vypada, ze pri odpojenem napajeni tam zkrat neni, ale po
> > privedeni
> > +12V se tam zkrat nekde objevi (na multimetru to lita od 0 po "mimo
> > rozsah"
> > pri mereni proudu v rozsahu mA). Je to mozne? Nejsem v elektronice
> zrovna
> > expert. (Musel jsem to postnout z jineho mailu, zlobi nas SMTP)
> >
> > Drahos
>
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From daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz  Sat Feb 24 06:48:34 2007
From: daniel.strnad at tiscali.cz (Daniel Strnad)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 07:48:34 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led
In-Reply-To: <2f624d110702231329o68d1adb7y7db8ea9eff739da8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2f624d110702230758p70a65abbne5ebd4f16a623b4a@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.tn7qw3qen6qjls@daman>
	<2f624d110702231329o68d1adb7y7db8ea9eff739da8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.tn8qi8bdn6qjls@daman>

Hmmm, a co otocenej stabilizator (taky casta chyba). Nebo muze byt jeste  
neco na +5V vetvi za stabilizatorem a to se bude hledat hur. Muzes to  
zjistit tak, ze ten stablik odpojis.

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:29:34 +0100, Labrador Sunny <sanicek na gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Polarita zdroje je ok a 1N5408 je taky ok. :-(
>
> 2007/2/23, Daniel Strnad <daniel.strnad na tiscali.cz>:
>>
>> Tak v tom pripade si budto otocil polaritu zdroje, ale mnohem spise si
>> opacne zapajel tu velkou ochrannou diodu co v twisteru je. To by
>> vysvetlovalo ten vysoky odpor pri mereni ohmmetrem - dioda zacina
>> propoustet pri 0,6V
>>
>> On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:58:06 +0100, Labrador Sunny <sanicek na gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Diky, zni to logicky, ale zkrat by tam byt nemel - mezi +12V a GND  
>> jsem
>> > nameril odpor 20,38 Mo.
>> > Resp. to vypada, ze pri odpojenem napajeni tam zkrat neni, ale po
>> > privedeni
>> > +12V se tam zkrat nekde objevi (na multimetru to lita od 0 po "mimo
>> > rozsah"
>> > pri mereni proudu v rozsahu mA). Je to mozne? Nejsem v elektronice
>> zrovna
>> > expert. (Musel jsem to postnout z jineho mailu, zlobi nas SMTP)
>> >
>> > Drahos
>>



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From volejnicek at alcom-sro.cz  Sat Feb 24 18:37:47 2007
From: volejnicek at alcom-sro.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Ing._Drahoslav_Volejn=ED=E8ek?=)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:37:47 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led
In-Reply-To: <op.tn8qi8bdn6qjls@daman>
Message-ID: <20070224183754.45947FB2EE@mail.orkanet.cz>

Tak otoceny neni. Pokud ho odpojim, tak ta power led sviti normalne
(trvale). Zkusil jsem jeste nahradni stabilizator, ale problem trva :( Takze
je to nekde dal..

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Strnad
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:49 AM

Hmmm, a co otocenej stabilizator (taky casta chyba). Nebo muze byt jeste  
neco na +5V vetvi za stabilizatorem a to se bude hledat hur. Muzes to  
zjistit tak, ze ten stablik odpojis.




From clock at twibright.com  Sun Feb 25 09:42:50 2007
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:42:50 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led
In-Reply-To: <20070222231437.E017729F820@mail.space4web.org>
References: <20070222231437.E017729F820@mail.space4web.org>
Message-ID: <20070225094250.GA14575@kestrel.barix.local>

On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 12:14:29AM +0100, Alcom Systems, s.r.o. wrote:
> Ahojte,
> 
>  
> 
> delam Ronju poprve a mam nekde chybu v twisteru (verze 1 na PCB). Po
> privedeni +12V blika power led - resp. se rozsviti a pak pomalu zhasne (v
> intervalu 1,3x za sekundu). Vite nekdo, kde muzu mit chybu?

Did you do the correctness check in the building instructions? That usually
reveals all errors like this at once.

CL<


From volejnicek at alcom-sro.cz  Sun Feb 25 10:06:45 2007
From: volejnicek at alcom-sro.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Ing._Drahoslav_Volejn=ED=E8ek?=)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:06:45 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led
In-Reply-To: <20070225094250.GA14575@kestrel.barix.local>
Message-ID: <20070225100652.C7CB7FB2EE@mail.orkanet.cz>

I don't know what you exactly mean. I went through
http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php step by step. I didn't see
any "correctness check". I also followed the instructions on
http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/testing.php, but there is only very
sipmle sanity check. Write here exact url if you can pls.

Thx!

Drahos

-----Original Message-----
From: Karel Kulhavy
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:43 AM

Did you do the correctness check in the building instructions? That usually
reveals all errors like this at once.

CL<



From lawnmowerman at o2.pl  Sun Feb 25 13:11:58 2007
From: lawnmowerman at o2.pl (Kuba)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:11:58 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led
References: <20070225100652.C7CB7FB2EE@mail.orkanet.cz>
Message-ID: <000601c758de$88117d20$6500a8c0@baker>

@ http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php >> Ctrl + F >> ... type 
"correctness check" (without " ")

Correctness check
Take the PCB and inspect it completely for:
  a.. Left-out components (except C54, C55, C113, and C114)
  b.. Correct values
  c.. Correct IC types
  d.. Correct orientation of IC's
  e.. Correct orientation of diodes.
  f.. Correct orientation of polarized capacitors
  g.. Correct orientation of connector keys
  h.. Joints soldered wrong or not at all

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ing. Drahoslav Volejn?cek" <volejnicek at alcom-sro.cz>
To: "'Twibright Ronja'" <ronja at lists.pointless.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led


>I don't know what you exactly mean. I went through
> http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php step by step. I didn't see
> any "correctness check". I also followed the instructions on
> http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/testing.php, but there is only very
> sipmle sanity check. Write here exact url if you can pls.
>
> Thx!
>
> Drahos
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karel Kulhavy
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:43 AM
>
> Did you do the correctness check in the building instructions? That 
> usually
> reveals all errors like this at once.
>
> CL<
>
>
> -- 
> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja 



From clock at twibright.com  Sun Feb 25 15:13:08 2007
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:13:08 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led
In-Reply-To: <20070225100652.C7CB7FB2EE@mail.orkanet.cz>
References: <20070225094250.GA14575@kestrel.barix.local>
	<20070225100652.C7CB7FB2EE@mail.orkanet.cz>
Message-ID: <20070225151308.GA26709@kestrel.barix.local>

On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:06:45AM +0100, Ing. Drahoslav Volejn??ek wrote:
> I don't know what you exactly mean. I went through
> http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/building.php step by step. I didn't see
> any "correctness check". I also followed the instructions on

There it is between Cleaning and (Optional) jumpers:

Correctness check Take the PCB and inspect it completely for: * Left-out
components (except C54, C55, C113, and C114) * Correct values * Correct IC
types * Correct orientation of IC's * Correct orientation of diodes. * Correct
orientation of polarized capacitors * Correct orientation of connector keys *
Joints soldered wrong or not at all Printing this partlist and another copy of
assembly plan (left) will help for scratching out.

It happens quite often that some part is incorrectly populated.

CL<
> http://ronja.twibright.com/twister/testing.php, but there is only very
> sipmle sanity check. Write here exact url if you can pls.
> 
> Thx!
> 
> Drahos
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karel Kulhavy
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:43 AM
> 
> Did you do the correctness check in the building instructions? That usually
> reveals all errors like this at once.
> 
> CL<
> 
> 
> -- 
> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja


From volejnicek at alcom-sro.cz  Sun Feb 25 17:40:06 2007
From: volejnicek at alcom-sro.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Ing._Drahoslav_Volejn=ED=E8ek?=)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:40:06 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led
In-Reply-To: <20070225151308.GA26709@kestrel.barix.local>
Message-ID: <20070225174015.44D8CFB40A@mail.orkanet.cz>

You were right. I am feeling like a idiot now. I really changed orientation
of the one of IC's (U66).

Now I have another question. How can I remove this IC from PCB? I tried my
hot-flue gun (is it correct in EN? :)), but it didn't work :(

-----Original Message-----
From: Karel Kulhavy
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 4:13 PM

There it is between Cleaning and (Optional) jumpers:

Correctness check Take the PCB and inspect it completely for: * Left-out
components (except C54, C55, C113, and C114) * Correct values * Correct IC
types * Correct orientation of IC's * Correct orientation of diodes. *
Correct
orientation of polarized capacitors * Correct orientation of connector keys
*
Joints soldered wrong or not at all Printing this partlist and another copy
of
assembly plan (left) will help for scratching out.

It happens quite often that some part is incorrectly populated.

CL<



From krepa at seznam.cz  Sun Feb 25 18:02:57 2007
From: krepa at seznam.cz (Pavel Krejci)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:02:57 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led
In-Reply-To: <20070225174015.44D8CFB40A@mail.orkanet.cz>
References: <20070225174015.44D8CFB40A@mail.orkanet.cz>
Message-ID: <45E1CF51.6050000@seznam.cz>

Hot Air gun (horkovzdusna pistole) should help as solution but be 
careful it can damage the board.
If I know the Ic is dead or it is cheap enough then I cut leads as close 
to the package as possible and then remove one after another.
Anyway desoldering tool (odsavacka cinu) is almost a must.

Ing. Drahoslav Volejn??ek napsal(a):
> You were right. I am feeling like a idiot now. I really changed orientation
> of the one of IC's (U66).
> 
> Now I have another question. How can I remove this IC from PCB? I tried my
> hot-flue gun (is it correct in EN? :)), but it didn't work :(
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karel Kulhavy
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 4:13 PM
> 
> There it is between Cleaning and (Optional) jumpers:
> 
> Correctness check Take the PCB and inspect it completely for: * Left-out
> components (except C54, C55, C113, and C114) * Correct values * Correct IC
> types * Correct orientation of IC's * Correct orientation of diodes. *
> Correct
> orientation of polarized capacitors * Correct orientation of connector keys
> *
> Joints soldered wrong or not at all Printing this partlist and another copy
> of
> assembly plan (left) will help for scratching out.
> 
> It happens quite often that some part is incorrectly populated.
> 
> CL<
> 
> 



From petr.cipis at tiscali.cz  Sun Feb 25 19:18:38 2007
From: petr.cipis at tiscali.cz (Cipis)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:18:38 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led
References: <20070225174015.44D8CFB40A@mail.orkanet.cz>
Message-ID: <004501c75911$c0967370$5046a8c0@cipis.net>

Ahoj,
no, nejak jsem nepostrehl, jestli je to U66 SMD nebo DIL.
V pripade DIL staci vzit ostre male stipacky a precvakat nozicky, pak jednu 
po druhe odpajis z tistaku.
V pripade SMD si vem ostry nuz a nozicky jednu po druhe prerizni.
V obou pripadech vytahnes torzo tela svabu a pak uz pinzetou a pajkou 
odstranis zbytek.

Cipis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ing. Drahoslav Volejn?cek" <volejnicek na alcom-sro.cz>
To: "'Twibright Ronja'" <ronja na lists.pointless.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led


> You were right. I am feeling like a idiot now. I really changed 
> orientation
> of the one of IC's (U66).
>
> Now I have another question. How can I remove this IC from PCB? I tried my
> hot-flue gun (is it correct in EN? :)), but it didn't work :(
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karel Kulhavy
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 4:13 PM
>
> There it is between Cleaning and (Optional) jumpers:
>
> Correctness check Take the PCB and inspect it completely for: * Left-out
> components (except C54, C55, C113, and C114) * Correct values * Correct IC
> types * Correct orientation of IC's * Correct orientation of diodes. *
> Correct
> orientation of polarized capacitors * Correct orientation of connector 
> keys
> *
> Joints soldered wrong or not at all Printing this partlist and another 
> copy
> of
> assembly plan (left) will help for scratching out.
>
> It happens quite often that some part is incorrectly populated.
>
> CL<
>
>
> -- 
> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com
> Ronja na lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja 



From volejnicek at alcom-sro.cz  Sun Feb 25 19:36:18 2007
From: volejnicek at alcom-sro.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Ing._Drahoslav_Volejn=ED=E8ek?=)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:36:18 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led
In-Reply-To: <004501c75911$c0967370$5046a8c0@cipis.net>
Message-ID: <20070225193622.9CFD5FB3C2@mail.orkanet.cz>

Diky vsem za rady, nakonec jsem to vytahl pomoci te horkovzdusne pistole.
Sice mi vypadlo krom toho svabu asi 5 kondenzatoru, ale hlavne, ze to
neshorelo :-). Po obraceni toho svabu se zda, ze vsechno funguje. 

Drahos

-----Original Message-----
From: Cipis
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 8:19 PM

Ahoj,
no, nejak jsem nepostrehl, jestli je to U66 SMD nebo DIL.
V pripade DIL staci vzit ostre male stipacky a precvakat nozicky, pak jednu 
po druhe odpajis z tistaku.
V pripade SMD si vem ostry nuz a nozicky jednu po druhe prerizni.
V obou pripadech vytahnes torzo tela svabu a pak uz pinzetou a pajkou 
odstranis zbytek.

Cipis



From clock at twibright.com  Sun Feb 25 20:46:52 2007
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:46:52 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led
In-Reply-To: <20070225174015.44D8CFB40A@mail.orkanet.cz>
References: <20070225151308.GA26709@kestrel.barix.local>
	<20070225174015.44D8CFB40A@mail.orkanet.cz>
Message-ID: <20070225204652.GA11866@kestrel.barix.local>

On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 06:40:06PM +0100, Ing. Drahoslav Volejn??ek wrote:
> You were right. I am feeling like a idiot now. I really changed orientation
> of the one of IC's (U66).
> 
> Now I have another question. How can I remove this IC from PCB? I tried my
> hot-flue gun (is it correct in EN? :)), but it didn't work :(

You have to cut the pins, throw away the chip body, solder the pins out one by
one, then clear the holes with a suction device.

CL<


From clock at twibright.com  Sun Feb 25 21:00:41 2007
From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:00:41 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led
In-Reply-To: <20070225193622.9CFD5FB3C2@mail.orkanet.cz>
References: <004501c75911$c0967370$5046a8c0@cipis.net>
	<20070225193622.9CFD5FB3C2@mail.orkanet.cz>
Message-ID: <20070225210041.GB11866@kestrel.barix.local>

On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 08:36:18PM +0100, Ing. Drahoslav Volejn??ek wrote:
> Diky vsem za rady, nakonec jsem to vytahl pomoci te horkovzdusne pistole.
> Sice mi vypadlo krom toho svabu asi 5 kondenzatoru, ale hlavne, ze to
> neshorelo :-). Po obraceni toho svabu se zda, ze vsechno funguje. 

So now we know that apart from water (http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e12.html
http://ronja.twibright.com/failure/aquarium.avi) Ronja survives also fire. Now
we should try the remaining two elements. Earth and what is the last one?
Snow?

We could try to ride the populated Twister2 board instead of a snowboard. If
there were not too much stones on the slope I am sure it would survive
undamaged.  But the rider's face would probably get damaged ;-)

CL<
> 
> Drahos
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cipis
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 8:19 PM
> 
> Ahoj,
> no, nejak jsem nepostrehl, jestli je to U66 SMD nebo DIL.
> V pripade DIL staci vzit ostre male stipacky a precvakat nozicky, pak jednu 
> po druhe odpajis z tistaku.
> V pripade SMD si vem ostry nuz a nozicky jednu po druhe prerizni.
> V obou pripadech vytahnes torzo tela svabu a pak uz pinzetou a pajkou 
> odstranis zbytek.
> 
> Cipis
> 
> 
> -- 
> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com
> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja


From krepa at seznam.cz  Mon Feb 26 01:10:11 2007
From: krepa at seznam.cz (Pavel Krejci)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:10:11 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Chyba v twisteru - blika power led
In-Reply-To: <20070225210041.GB11866@kestrel.barix.local>
References: <004501c75911$c0967370$5046a8c0@cipis.net>	<20070225193622.9CFD5FB3C2@mail.orkanet.cz>
	<20070225210041.GB11866@kestrel.barix.local>
Message-ID: <45E23373.1060804@seznam.cz>

earth, fire, water, air


Karel Kulhavy napsal(a):
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 08:36:18PM +0100, Ing. Drahoslav Volejn??ek wrote:
>> Diky vsem za rady, nakonec jsem to vytahl pomoci te horkovzdusne pistole.
>> Sice mi vypadlo krom toho svabu asi 5 kondenzatoru, ale hlavne, ze to
>> neshorelo :-). Po obraceni toho svabu se zda, ze vsechno funguje. 
> 
> So now we know that apart from water (http://images.twibright.com/tns/1e12.html
> http://ronja.twibright.com/failure/aquarium.avi) Ronja survives also fire. Now
> we should try the remaining two elements. Earth and what is the last one?
> Snow?
> 
> We could try to ride the populated Twister2 board instead of a snowboard. If
> there were not too much stones on the slope I am sure it would survive
> undamaged.  But the rider's face would probably get damaged ;-)
> 
> CL<
>> Drahos
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cipis
>> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 8:19 PM
>>
>> Ahoj,
>> no, nejak jsem nepostrehl, jestli je to U66 SMD nebo DIL.
>> V pripade DIL staci vzit ostre male stipacky a precvakat nozicky, pak jednu 
>> po druhe odpajis z tistaku.
>> V pripade SMD si vem ostry nuz a nozicky jednu po druhe prerizni.
>> V obou pripadech vytahnes torzo tela svabu a pak uz pinzetou a pajkou 
>> odstranis zbytek.
>>
>> Cipis
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com
>> Ronja at lists.pointless.net
>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja
> 



From code at u-turn.cz  Tue Feb 27 21:37:24 2007
From: code at u-turn.cz (Code)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:37:24 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] electronics for sale
Message-ID: <20070227213723.GA4358@localhost.localdomain>

hi,

i have for sale electronics for both sides of ronja metropolis :
2 x RX, 2 x TX, 2 x twister
tested, new, nearly unused, were running just few weeks in installation. 
see it on http://whitelabel.name/test/DSCN0020.JPG and
http://whitelabel.name/test/DSCN0027.JPG

i give it away for 5.000 Kc
i am from Praha.

ICQ : 298387338

<code>Code</code>
--
*)))  @(-_-)@  (((*


From alejo at altred.net  Wed Feb 28 12:34:23 2007
From: alejo at altred.net (alejo altred)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:34:23 +0100
Subject: [Ronja] Ronja Digest, Vol 46, Issue 17
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1172664001.11963.ronja@lists.pointless.net>
References: <mailman.1.1172664001.11963.ronja@lists.pointless.net>
Message-ID: <C8D6A8B4-7F06-47C1-8CB4-71B68D3FBB02@altred.net>

hi Code!

i will be interested on buying your second hand toys, they might  
likely end up in medellin colombia, i will ask my partners there  
since we havent had luck finding all the components to build the  
systems by ourselves. whats the price of 5k kc in euros?
/a


On Feb 28, 2007, at 1:00 PM, ronja-request at lists.pointless.net wrote:

>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1.  electronics for sale (Code)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:37:24 +0100
> From: Code <code at u-turn.cz>
> Subject: [Ronja] electronics for sale
> To: ronja at lists.pointless.net
> Message-ID: <20070227213723.GA4358 at localhost.localdomain>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> hi,
>
> i have for sale electronics for both sides of ronja metropolis :
> 2 x RX, 2 x TX, 2 x twister
> tested, new, nearly unused, were running just few weeks in  
> installation.
> see it on http://whitelabel.name/test/DSCN0020.JPG and
> http://whitelabel.name/test/DSCN0027.JPG
>
> i give it away for 5.000 Kc
> i am from Praha.
>
> ICQ : 298387338
>
> <code>Code</code>
> --
> *)))  @(-_-)@  (((*
>
>
>
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