From asteri_x at freemail.hu Mon Apr 9 22:04:51 2007 From: asteri_x at freemail.hu (=?UTF-8?B?R3l1cmvDsyBNYXJ0aW4=?=) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:04:51 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Sealant reaction... Message-ID: <461AAA73.6060602@freemail.hu> Hi Everybody! I sealed about 10 months ago a lens into a PVC tube with a transparent silicon sealant. I did not have time, and forgot the whole project in my craftsroom. Dark, normally tempered, with low humidity. Now I found it with a shocking result: http://atomblitz.uw.hu/ The sealant turned brown, and it also detached from the PVC pipe. Maybe a chemical reaction, but i have never seen this kind before. I made pictures of all the used materials. Did anyone have similar results? Bye Martin From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Apr 10 00:03:16 2007 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:03:16 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Nova Ronja linka v Zatci Message-ID: <200704100103.29862@centrum.cz> Linky 7 a 8 jsou pro lokalniho ISP www.cz-e.net , ktery odebira lajnu od www.ohremedia.cz . Linky byly dokonceny v lednu 2007. Zajimava je posledni linka...vzdalenost 1407m (GPS). Linky vyrobil a nainstaloval Petr Seliger. Odkaz na fotky: http://www.ok1mjo.com/all/photo/Ronja_Zatec7/ -=RYS=- ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20070410/58d88a6e/attachment.html From kubajz at kbx.cz Tue Apr 10 08:19:18 2007 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:19:18 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Sealant reaction... In-Reply-To: <461AAA73.6060602@freemail.hu> References: <461AAA73.6060602@freemail.hu> Message-ID: <461B3A76.9050708@kbx.cz> As you can see on the pipe label - it is not made from PVC (poly-vinyl-chloride), but from PP-H (homopolymer polypropylene). These are very different materials. I have sent this question to my friend - chemical engineer - if he could explain it. K Gyurk? Martin wrote: > Hi Everybody! > > I sealed about 10 months ago a lens into a PVC tube with a transparent > silicon sealant. > I did not have time, and forgot the whole project in my craftsroom. > Dark, normally tempered, with low humidity. > Now I found it with a shocking result: > > http://atomblitz.uw.hu/ > > The sealant turned brown, and it also detached from the PVC pipe. > Maybe a chemical reaction, but i have never seen this kind before. > I made pictures of all the used materials. > > Did anyone have similar results? > > Bye > Martin > -- Jakub S?kora email: kubajz na kbx.cz <') ICQ: 68976632 ( =- mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 10 10:37:14 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:37:14 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Sealant reaction... In-Reply-To: <461AAA73.6060602@freemail.hu> References: <461AAA73.6060602@freemail.hu> Message-ID: <20070410093714.GA8543@kestrel.barix.local> On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 11:04:51PM +0200, Gyurk? Martin wrote: > Hi Everybody! > > I sealed about 10 months ago a lens into a PVC tube with a transparent > silicon sealant. > I did not have time, and forgot the whole project in my craftsroom. > Dark, normally tempered, with low humidity. > Now I found it with a shocking result: > > http://atomblitz.uw.hu/ That's interesting. Didn't the plastic pipe have traces of oil or grease? The tube is not PVC but probably polypropylene (PP-H) by the label? Are you sure you used transparent sealant and not brown? Also, was the sealant the acidic (smelly) one or the neutral silicon? Turning brown doesn't matter for Ronja function but falling off does. However plastic pipes must not be used anyway because of fire hazard so I don't think it makes sense to investingate this as a bug and fix it in the guide :/ CL< > > The sealant turned brown, and it also detached from the PVC pipe. > Maybe a chemical reaction, but i have never seen this kind before. > I made pictures of all the used materials. > > Did anyone have similar results? > > Bye > Martin > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kubajz at kbx.cz Tue Apr 10 12:52:27 2007 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:52:27 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Sealant reaction... In-Reply-To: <461AAA73.6060602@freemail.hu> References: <461AAA73.6060602@freemail.hu> Message-ID: <461B7A7B.2050500@kbx.cz> EN version: Hi there, so I have the answer. It is pretty complicated in czech, but I will try my best to translate it into english. cite: "Your friend (meant you) probably used unappropriate silicon and even silicon glue. Sanitary silicon contains - with highest probability - a reactant, that destroys microbes, rust etc., but it uses active oxygen to reach this effect (free O2 moleculas). This sealant is used in bathrooms. I do not know the manufacturer of this sealant, but it obviously contains per-acetic acid which was used to desinfect places. It simply releases oxygen and stinks like vinegar." As far as I know, oxygen oxidizes nearly everything and PP-H is not suited to be exposed to UV, O2 and other harmful biases. Be glad, that it broke before you installed it anywhere. CZech version: Ahoj, je to trochu slozitejsi i v cestine, ale pokusim se to prelozit do anglictiny. citace: "Kamar?d si vzal asi nevhodn? silikon a mo?n? i lepidlo. Sanit?rn? silikon obsahuje s nejvet?? pravd?podobnost? slou?eninu, kter? ni?? mikroby, pl?sn? atd, ale to ni?? voln?m kysl?kem a ten m??e prov?st to co provedl. Tento silikonov? tmel se pou??v? do sp?r ve sprchov?ch koutech nebo koupeln?ch. Nezn?m v?robce, ale z?ejm? obsahuje peroctovou kyselinu, ta se pou??vala na desinfekci pod n?zvem Persteril nebo tak n?jak. Prost? uvol?uje kysl?k a smrd? po octu." A kam az sahaji me znalosti chemie, tak kyslik oxiduje na co prijde. A PP-H neni staveny na to, aby na nej pusobily spatne vlivy jako je UV zareni, cisty kyslik atp. Bud rad, ze se to rozpadlo driv, nez jsi to nekam namontoval. K Gyurk? Martin wrote: > Hi Everybody! > > I sealed about 10 months ago a lens into a PVC tube with a transparent > silicon sealant. > I did not have time, and forgot the whole project in my craftsroom. > Dark, normally tempered, with low humidity. > Now I found it with a shocking result: > > http://atomblitz.uw.hu/ > > The sealant turned brown, and it also detached from the PVC pipe. > Maybe a chemical reaction, but i have never seen this kind before. > I made pictures of all the used materials. > > Did anyone have similar results? > > Bye > Martin > -- Jakub S?kora email: kubajz na kbx.cz <') ICQ: 68976632 ( =- mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' From cd930 at centrum.cz Tue Apr 10 17:07:43 2007 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:07:43 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Jeste k linku 7 a 8 Message-ID: <200704101807.2771@centrum.cz> Karle, prosim te oprav si nazev mesta. U predchozich linek mas spravne hacek na Z a u 7 a 8 neni..... mesto neni Zatec, ale ?atec. Diky... Martin From asteri_x at freemail.hu Tue Apr 10 21:13:33 2007 From: asteri_x at freemail.hu (=?UTF-8?B?R3l1cmvDsyBNYXJ0aW4=?=) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:13:33 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Sealant reaction... In-Reply-To: <461B7A7B.2050500@kbx.cz> References: <461AAA73.6060602@freemail.hu> <461B7A7B.2050500@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <461BEFED.4070600@freemail.hu> Hi! Thanks for all your answers! Jakub Sykora ?rta: > cite: > "Your friend (meant you) probably used unappropriate silicon and even > silicon glue. Sanitary silicon contains - with highest probability - a > reactant, that destroys microbes, rust etc., but it uses active oxygen > to reach this effect (free O2 moleculas). This sealant is used in > bathrooms. I do not know the manufacturer of this sealant, but it > obviously contains per-acetic acid which was used to desinfect places. > It simply releases oxygen and stinks like vinegar." Exactly this kind. It stinks like vinegar when freshly used. It is transparent, and I was also using it in building my bathroom. I now dissassembled the tube, and realized that I was using the original rubber ring that was already in the tube, to prevent the lens from falling into the tube. This rubber ring is black, and has an oily touch. Maybe this ring and its oil was causing the problem. In bathrooms there is a very unfriendly environment, and i would be surprized if any changes in the sealant could happen. I learned, that the polimerizing reaction of the silicon sealant and water from the air is causing vinegar acid, and that it is normal, and after finishing the reaction it remains stable, and there will be no more acid. > Be glad, that it broke before you installed it anywhere. hehe. this is the life of an R & D engineer. I think I will never get another kind of job in my life :D Karel, if you need these pictures, I leave them on the server for 1 week. Maybe on the Ronja homepage there should be mentioned, that this kind of problem could happen, etc... New picture with the ring: http://atomblitz.uw.hu/DSCF1439.JPG bye, Martin From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 10 21:36:13 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:36:13 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Jeste k linku 7 a 8 In-Reply-To: <200704101807.2771@centrum.cz> References: <200704101807.2771@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20070410203613.GA23365@kestrel.barix.local> On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 06:07:43PM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > Karle, prosim te oprav si nazev mesta. > U predchozich linek mas spravne hacek na Z a u 7 a 8 neni..... mesto neni Zatec, ale ?atec. Fixnuto. Bylo to tim ze se mi nechtelo po stodvacate pate prichazet na to, jak se nastavi klavesnice a kodovani cestiny v editoru :) CL< > Diky... Martin > > > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Tue Apr 10 21:38:59 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:38:59 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Sealant reaction... In-Reply-To: <461BEFED.4070600@freemail.hu> References: <461AAA73.6060602@freemail.hu> <461B7A7B.2050500@kbx.cz> <461BEFED.4070600@freemail.hu> Message-ID: <20070410203859.GB23365@kestrel.barix.local> On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 10:13:33PM +0200, Gyurk? Martin wrote: [...] > > Be glad, that it broke before you installed it anywhere. > > hehe. this is the life of an R & D engineer. I think I will never get > another kind of job in my life :D > > Karel, if you need these pictures, I leave them on the server for 1 > week. Maybe on the Ronja homepage there should be mentioned, that this > kind of problem could happen, etc... Fortunately, this kinda problem cannot happen if the people are building according to the Ronja instructions, because the pipes are steel. CL< > > New picture with the ring: > http://atomblitz.uw.hu/DSCF1439.JPG > > bye, > Martin > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From kubajz at kbx.cz Wed Apr 11 07:25:54 2007 From: kubajz at kbx.cz (Jakub Sykora) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:25:54 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Sealant reaction... In-Reply-To: <20070410203859.GB23365@kestrel.barix.local> References: <461AAA73.6060602@freemail.hu> <461B7A7B.2050500@kbx.cz> <461BEFED.4070600@freemail.hu> <20070410203859.GB23365@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <461C7F72.4010503@kbx.cz> This is true, but wrong silicon sealant with active oxygen can speed up rust process even on steel and other materials (every material that suffers from oxidation). The process lasts 10 months for PP-H - but how long it would take to rust steel? I think not so longer. It should be mentioned in Ronja instructions the silicon used to fix the lens should not be sanitary with active oxygen (O1 derived from per-acetic acid), but rather normal. K Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 10:13:33PM +0200, Gyurk? Martin wrote: > > [...] > >>> Be glad, that it broke before you installed it anywhere. >> hehe. this is the life of an R & D engineer. I think I will never get >> another kind of job in my life :D >> >> Karel, if you need these pictures, I leave them on the server for 1 >> week. Maybe on the Ronja homepage there should be mentioned, that this >> kind of problem could happen, etc... > > Fortunately, this kinda problem cannot happen if the people are building > according to the Ronja instructions, because the pipes are steel. > > CL< >> New picture with the ring: >> http://atomblitz.uw.hu/DSCF1439.JPG >> >> bye, >> Martin >> >> -- >> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com >> Ronja na lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > -- Jakub S?kora email: kubajz na kbx.cz <') ICQ: 68976632 ( =- mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' From cd930 at centrum.cz Wed Apr 11 09:21:15 2007 From: cd930 at centrum.cz (-=RYS=-) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:21:15 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Jeste chybka Message-ID: <200704111021.29655@centrum.cz> U linky cislo 7 (38. ?atec, Czech Republic)? je to spravne. U linky cislo 8 (3. Zatec, Czech Republic) je to stale spatne.....prosim o doplneni hacku. Je mozne, ze se postavi 2 linky v obcich T??ovice nebo Skryje....jeste uvidim, jak se dohodnu. Martin ------------- dal?? ??st --------------- HTML p??loha byla odstran?na... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20070411/0c204d34/attachment.html From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 11 12:37:39 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:37:39 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Sealant reaction... In-Reply-To: <461C7F72.4010503@kbx.cz> References: <461AAA73.6060602@freemail.hu> <461B7A7B.2050500@kbx.cz> <461BEFED.4070600@freemail.hu> <20070410203859.GB23365@kestrel.barix.local> <461C7F72.4010503@kbx.cz> Message-ID: <20070411113739.GA16640@kestrel.barix.local> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 08:25:54AM +0200, Jakub Sykora wrote: > This is true, but wrong silicon sealant with active oxygen can speed up > rust process even on steel and other materials (every material that > suffers from oxidation). The process lasts 10 months for PP-H - but how > long it would take to rust steel? I think not so longer. It should be > mentioned in Ronja instructions the silicon used to fix the lens should > not be sanitary with active oxygen (O1 derived from per-acetic acid), > but rather normal. First it was the acetic one, then I changed to neutral. After realizing there is some nasty shit in the neutral, I changed back to the acidic. I think the acidic also holds better but I don't remember for sure. I am sure I glued down some lenses with the acetic one and it didn't rust even after many years. It's applied on a painted surface. CL< > > K > > Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 10:13:33PM +0200, Gyurk? Martin wrote: > > > > [...] > > > >>> Be glad, that it broke before you installed it anywhere. > >> hehe. this is the life of an R & D engineer. I think I will never get > >> another kind of job in my life :D > >> > >> Karel, if you need these pictures, I leave them on the server for 1 > >> week. Maybe on the Ronja homepage there should be mentioned, that this > >> kind of problem could happen, etc... > > > > Fortunately, this kinda problem cannot happen if the people are building > > according to the Ronja instructions, because the pipes are steel. > > > > CL< > >> New picture with the ring: > >> http://atomblitz.uw.hu/DSCF1439.JPG > >> > >> bye, > >> Martin > >> > >> -- > >> Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > >> Ronja at lists.pointless.net > >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja > > > > -- > Jakub S?kora > email: kubajz at kbx.cz <') > ICQ: 68976632 ( =- > mobil: +420 777 594 201 '' > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 11 12:39:35 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:39:35 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Jeste chybka In-Reply-To: <200704111021.29655@centrum.cz> References: <200704111021.29655@centrum.cz> Message-ID: <20070411113935.GA7023@kestrel.barix.local> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:21:15AM +0200, -=RYS=- wrote: > U linky cislo 7 (38. ?atec, Czech Republic)? je to spravne. > U linky cislo 8 (3. Zatec, Czech Republic) je to stale spatne.....prosim o doplneni hacku. Nechapu jak se to stalo - pamatuju si ze jsem opravoval 2 vyskyty. Ale uz jsem to opravil. CL< > Je mozne, ze se postavi 2 linky v obcich T??ovice nebo Skryje....jeste uvidim, jak se dohodnu. > Martin > > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 11 17:38:43 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:38:43 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Wires to wireless, metal to optical Message-ID: <20070411163843.GA4460@kestrel.barix.local> The world goes from wires to wireless and from metallic to optical. Before: http://teleramics.com/images/photos/bridgnorth2.jpg After: http://images.twibright.com/tns/lvl4/79f.jpg CL< From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 11 17:51:06 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:51:06 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Kockolit silikagel Message-ID: <20070411165105.GA28611@kestrel.barix.local> http://www1.vltava.cz/store/GoodsDetail.asp?sCGoodsID=SE01211046 Tady maj jakysi granule na to aby do nich sraly kocky. Prej to je 100% prirodni silikagel. Da se tomu verit? Ma nekdo kocky aby to potvrdil? Aby to nebyl nejakej nekvalitni co malo absorbuje, nebo neco jinyho (zeolit?) Mozna by se to dalo dat do navodu Ronji - je to ocividne levnejsi nez silikagel prodavany jako silikagel a asi se to taky snaz sezene kdyz je to na chovani domacich mazlicku. CL< From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 12 13:01:21 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:01:21 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] lol Missbrauch einer Fernmeldeanlage Message-ID: <20070412120121.GA26551@kestrel.barix.local> I've just found this in Swiss law: Art. 179 Missbrauch einer Fernmeldeanlage Wer aus Bosheit oder Mutwillen eine Fernmeldeanlage zur Beunruhigung oder Bela:stigung missbraucht, wird, auf Antrag, mit Busse bestraft. Who uses (angrily or arbitrarily) a telecommunication device to disturb or harass other, will be, after complaint, fined with a fine. Is this translated correctly? Does someone understand Swiss or German law well? Does it mean if I turn my Ronja and shine with the light into people's eyes to have fun, I can be punished because Ronja is a telecommunication device? :) CL< From ladmanj at volny.cz Thu Apr 12 16:32:40 2007 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:32:40 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] CZ: Re: lol Missbrauch einer Fernmeldeanlage In-Reply-To: <20070412120121.GA26551@kestrel.barix.local> References: <20070412120121.GA26551@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <200704121732.40804.ladmanj@volny.cz> Dne ?tvrtek 12 duben 2007 14:01 Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > I've just found this in Swiss law: > > Art. 179 Missbrauch einer Fernmeldeanlage > Wer aus Bosheit oder Mutwillen eine Fernmeldeanlage zur Beunruhigung oder > Bela:stigung missbraucht, wird, auf Antrag, mit Busse bestraft. ?l?nek 179 Zneu?it? sd?lovac?ho za??zen? Kdo ze zlomyslnosti, nebo v?dom?/?mysln? k ru?en? zneu?ije sd?lovac? za??zen?, bude na ??dost potrest?n pokutou. Podle m? to znamen?, ?e t? m??ou pokutovat, kdy? bude? n?koho otravovat t?m, ?e mu bude? neust?le telefonovat, vyvol?vat jeho volac? zna?ku vys?la?kou atp., ale snad i jinak znemo??ovat norm?ln? komunikaci. Jakub > > Who uses (angrily or arbitrarily) a telecommunication device to disturb or > harass other, will be, after complaint, fined with a fine. > > Is this translated correctly? Does someone understand Swiss or German law > well? Does it mean if I turn my Ronja and shine with the light into > people's eyes to have fun, I can be punished because Ronja is a > telecommunication device? :) > > CL< From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 12 18:31:47 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:31:47 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] CZ: Re: lol Missbrauch einer Fernmeldeanlage In-Reply-To: <200704121732.40804.ladmanj@volny.cz> References: <20070412120121.GA26551@kestrel.barix.local> <200704121732.40804.ladmanj@volny.cz> Message-ID: <20070412173147.GA23190@kestrel.barix.local> On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 05:32:40PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > Dne ?tvrtek 12 duben 2007 14:01 Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > > I've just found this in Swiss law: > > > > Art. 179 Missbrauch einer Fernmeldeanlage > > Wer aus Bosheit oder Mutwillen eine Fernmeldeanlage zur Beunruhigung oder > > Bela:stigung missbraucht, wird, auf Antrag, mit Busse bestraft. > > ?l?nek 179 Zneu?it? sd?lovac?ho za??zen? > Kdo ze zlomyslnosti, nebo v?dom?/?mysln? k ru?en? zneu?ije sd?lovac? za??zen?, > bude na ??dost potrest?n pokutou. > > Podle m? to znamen?, ?e t? m??ou pokutovat, kdy? bude? n?koho otravovat t?m, > ?e mu bude? neust?le telefonovat, vyvol?vat jeho volac? zna?ku vys?la?kou > atp., ale snad i jinak znemo??ovat norm?ln? komunikaci. Za trollovani na forech a mailing listech vlastne taky? :) CL< > > Jakub > > > > > > Who uses (angrily or arbitrarily) a telecommunication device to disturb or > > harass other, will be, after complaint, fined with a fine. > > > > Is this translated correctly? Does someone understand Swiss or German law > > well? Does it mean if I turn my Ronja and shine with the light into > > people's eyes to have fun, I can be punished because Ronja is a > > telecommunication device? :) > > > > CL< > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From asteri_x at freemail.hu Thu Apr 12 20:28:04 2007 From: asteri_x at freemail.hu (=?UTF-8?B?R3l1cmvDsyBNYXJ0aW4=?=) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:28:04 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] lol Missbrauch einer Fernmeldeanlage In-Reply-To: <20070412120121.GA26551@kestrel.barix.local> References: <20070412120121.GA26551@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <461E8844.4080503@freemail.hu> No, it means: you pick up the phone, and call somebody, and you are talking with the person, and this conversation is disturbing that person, then you can be fined. Karel Kulhavy ?rta: > I've just found this in Swiss law: > > Art. 179 Missbrauch einer Fernmeldeanlage > Wer aus Bosheit oder Mutwillen eine Fernmeldeanlage zur Beunruhigung oder > Bela:stigung missbraucht, wird, auf Antrag, mit Busse bestraft. > > Who uses (angrily or arbitrarily) a telecommunication device to disturb or > harass other, will be, after complaint, fined with a fine. > > Is this translated correctly? Does someone understand Swiss or German law well? > Does it mean if I turn my Ronja and shine with the light into people's eyes to > have fun, I can be punished because Ronja is a telecommunication device? :) > > CL< > From ronja at hansmi.ch Thu Apr 12 20:43:40 2007 From: ronja at hansmi.ch (Michael Hanselmann) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:43:40 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] lol Missbrauch einer Fernmeldeanlage In-Reply-To: <20070412120121.GA26551@kestrel.barix.local> References: <20070412120121.GA26551@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <20070412194340.GB8506@hansmi.ch> Hi Karel On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 02:01:21PM +0200, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > Who uses (angrily or arbitrarily) a telecommunication device to disturb or > harass other, will be, after complaint, fined with a fine. I should get you fined for distrubing your readers by using a mailing list over the Internet (which runs over telecommunication devices). :-) > Is this translated correctly? Roughly, yes. Greets, Michael -- Gentoo Linux developer, http://hansmi.ch/, http://forkbomb.ch/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20070412/459967b5/attachment.bin From info at martenvijn.nl Thu Apr 12 21:07:12 2007 From: info at martenvijn.nl (Marten) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:07:12 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] WCC2007 Message-ID: <1176408432.886.29.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> Invitation Wireless Community Camp 2007 The WCC2007 is a wonderfull week of cooperation education and care. The WCC2007 is seven days camping with technicians, opensource users and organizers of a diversity of projects. 100 people from all over the world share their knowledge abount wifi opensource and community networking. 13 - 19 August 2007, Oegstgeest, The Netherlands Organization By cooperation we are learning how to organize and build up the camp, and in extension of that how to build up a local communtiy to run a public wireless network. By sharing knowlegde we improve our skills. We learn and teach to by hands-on practical training. We learn by doing. Organising an event or project is a training in leadership. Care is a base to work and trust the good intentions of people we work with. Care creates safety to learn, to make errors and correct them. Program We have an excelent training program offering all the knowlegde how to start a public wireless network. Most of the knowledge can be used for other projects as well. The program contains the building of antennas, the usage of open source software to build wireless routers and servers and . What we are going to do: 13-14 august building up campsite + opening session 15-17 august open source training program 18-19 august community event, antenna building and measuring The WCC will be established at the lowest costs. This can be done by three important corners of the Wifisoft.org triangle : Volunteers, Sponsors and the communities. Want to help us out? At this moment we are looking for trainees, sponsors and organisers. If you want to join please register as soon as possible. This is realy important for us. Sponsoring will be used in several ways: * especially for our foreign campagnes: help with tickets, visa, hardware shipping. * financial support for webserver * local support at the bootcamp. We still have vacancies for talented organisers who want improve their skills in our organisation. Want you can do for us right now is: * register and become one of us * register early for a lower price (please do) * mail this message and our flyer to your friends and collegues The Wifisoft.org Foundation Wifisoft.org is a not-for-profit organization that initiates, stimulates and evolves local and international cooperation between communities that administrate a public wireless network. The main infrastructure for Wifisoft.org is the Internet. On http://wifisoft.org communities can create their own workspace. Besides the yearly WCC there are other smaller events focussed on optical links, and software development. Once a year we organize a Wireless Community Camp. Here we organize and facilitate lectures and hands-on workshops. We hope the see you at the WCC2007. Kind regards, Femke Mastboom PR, wcc2007 Marten Vijn chairman of WifiSoft.org From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 12 22:45:45 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:45:45 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] WCC2007 In-Reply-To: <1176408432.886.29.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> References: <1176408432.886.29.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> Message-ID: <20070412214545.GA17771@kestrel.barix.local> On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 10:07:12PM +0200, Marten wrote: > Invitation Wireless Community Camp 2007 Who is being invited? > > The WCC2007 is a wonderfull week of cooperation education and care. > > The WCC2007 is seven days camping with technicians, opensource users and > organizers of a diversity of projects. 100 people from all over the > world share their knowledge abount wifi opensource and community > networking. > > 13 - 19 August 2007, Oegstgeest, The Netherlands > > > Organization > By cooperation we are learning how to organize and build up the camp, > and in extension of that how to build up a local communtiy to run a > public wireless network. > > By sharing knowlegde we improve our skills. We learn and teach to by > hands-on practical training. We learn by doing. Organising an event or > project is a training in leadership. > > Care is a base to work and trust the good intentions of people we work > with. Care creates safety to learn, to make errors and correct them. > > > Program > We have an excelent training program offering all the knowlegde how to > start a public wireless network. Most of the knowledge can be used for > other projects as well. The program contains the building of antennas, > the usage of open source software to build wireless routers and servers > and . > > What we are going to do: > > 13-14 august building up campsite + opening session > 15-17 august open source training program > 18-19 august community event, antenna building and measuring > > The WCC will be established at the lowest costs. This can be done by > three important corners of the Wifisoft.org triangle : Volunteers, > Sponsors and the communities. > > > Want to help us out? > At this moment we are looking for trainees, sponsors and organisers. If > you want to join please register as soon as possible. This is realy > important for us. Register - where? CL< > > Sponsoring will be used in several ways: > > * especially for our foreign campagnes: help with tickets, visa, > hardware shipping. > * financial support for webserver > * local support at the bootcamp. > > We still have vacancies for talented organisers who want improve their > skills in our organisation. > > Want you can do for us right now is: > > * register and become one of us > * register early for a lower price (please do) > * mail this message and our flyer to your friends and collegues > > The Wifisoft.org Foundation > Wifisoft.org is a not-for-profit organization that initiates, stimulates > and evolves local and international cooperation between communities that > administrate a public wireless network. The main infrastructure for > Wifisoft.org is the Internet. On http://wifisoft.org communities can > create their own workspace. Besides the yearly WCC there are other > smaller events focussed on optical links, and software development. > > Once a year we organize a Wireless Community Camp. Here we organize and > facilitate lectures and hands-on workshops. > > We hope the see you at the WCC2007. > > Kind regards, > > Femke Mastboom > PR, wcc2007 > > Marten Vijn > chairman of WifiSoft.org > > > > > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From info at martenvijn.nl Fri Apr 13 07:18:48 2007 From: info at martenvijn.nl (Marten Vijn) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:18:48 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] WCC2007 In-Reply-To: <20070412214545.GA17771@kestrel.barix.local> References: <1176408432.886.29.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20070412214545.GA17771@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <1176445128.14643.0.camel@sun> On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 23:45 +0200, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 10:07:12PM +0200, Marten wrote: > > Invitation Wireless Community Camp 2007 > > Who is being invited? you, and others involded in wireless public networking, Marten From clock at twibright.com Fri Apr 13 09:44:43 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:44:43 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Aliens are also using Ronja Message-ID: <20070413084443.GA20546@kestrel.barix.local> Astronomers think they found some red nebula, but I guess the identity of the object in the picture is clear - some aliens from a distant solar system are just using ordinary Ronja for their Internet.... http://www.20min.ch/news/kreuz_und_quer/story/10893493 CL< From ladmanj at volny.cz Fri Apr 13 10:06:34 2007 From: ladmanj at volny.cz (Jakub Ladman) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:06:34 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] CZ: Re: lol Missbrauch einer Fernmeldeanlage In-Reply-To: <20070412173147.GA23190@kestrel.barix.local> References: <20070412120121.GA26551@kestrel.barix.local> <200704121732.40804.ladmanj@volny.cz> <20070412173147.GA23190@kestrel.barix.local> Message-ID: <200704131106.34149.ladmanj@volny.cz> Dne ?tvrtek 12 duben 2007 19:31 Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 05:32:40PM +0200, Jakub Ladman wrote: > > Dne ?tvrtek 12 duben 2007 14:01 Karel Kulhavy napsal(a): > > > I've just found this in Swiss law: > > > > > > Art. 179 Missbrauch einer Fernmeldeanlage > > > Wer aus Bosheit oder Mutwillen eine Fernmeldeanlage zur Beunruhigung > > > oder Bela:stigung missbraucht, wird, auf Antrag, mit Busse bestraft. > > > > ?l?nek 179 Zneu?it? sd?lovac?ho za??zen? > > Kdo ze zlomyslnosti, nebo v?dom?/?mysln? k ru?en? zneu?ije sd?lovac? > > za??zen?, bude na ??dost potrest?n pokutou. > > > > Podle m? to znamen?, ?e t? m??ou pokutovat, kdy? bude? n?koho otravovat > > t?m, ?e mu bude? neust?le telefonovat, vyvol?vat jeho volac? zna?ku > > vys?la?kou atp., ale snad i jinak znemo??ovat norm?ln? komunikaci. > > Za trollovani na forech a mailing listech vlastne taky? :) To u? se bude? muset zeptat ?v?carsk?ho pr?vn?ka, ale j? bych to trestal v?echno :-) > > CL< > > > Jakub > > > > > Who uses (angrily or arbitrarily) a telecommunication device to disturb > > > or harass other, will be, after complaint, fined with a fine. > > > > > > Is this translated correctly? Does someone understand Swiss or German > > > law well? Does it mean if I turn my Ronja and shine with the light into > > > people's eyes to have fun, I can be punished because Ronja is a > > > telecommunication device? :) > > > > > > CL< > > > > -- > > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From jjaviert at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 03:11:17 2007 From: jjaviert at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Javier_Trivi=F1o_?=) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:11:17 -0400 Subject: [Ronja] obtain parts Message-ID: <9c22d840704181911v3394a86dmd242f4f5a217e2e7@mail.gmail.com> How can I obtain HPWT-BD00-F4000? and SFH203? Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/ronja/attachments/20070418/60f900c2/attachment.html From clock at twibright.com Thu Apr 19 07:09:57 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:09:57 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] obtain parts In-Reply-To: <9c22d840704181911v3394a86dmd242f4f5a217e2e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c22d840704181911v3394a86dmd242f4f5a217e2e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070419060957.GA2730@kestrel.barix.local> On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 10:11:17PM -0400, Javier Trivi?o wrote: > How can I obtain HPWT-BD00-F4000? and SFH203? http://ronja.twibright.com/get/led.php http://ronja.twibright.com/get/pin.php CL< > > Thank you. > -- > Twibright Ronja mailing list http://ronja.twibright.com > Ronja at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/ronja From clock at twibright.com Wed Apr 25 21:35:41 2007 From: clock at twibright.com (Karel Kulhavy) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:35:41 +0200 Subject: [Ronja] Mystery of Twister explained Message-ID: <20070425203541.GA13350@kestrel.barix.local> Someone was asking how the Twister works so I wrote a description: http://ronja.twibright.com/technotes/how.php CL<