im still here too<BR><BR><B><I>Harry Moyes <harry@shoka.net></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Storer, Darren wrote:<BR>> For what it's worth, I'm still here... much lagged it would seem but <BR>> still here.<BR>> <BR>> D<BR><BR>But you've not posted from your signed on address and got stuck in the <BR>shitpit. :(<BR><BR>Where you stay until I get up the enthusiasm to chuck away 5000 offers <BR>of things I will not<BR>mention here lest this mail also gets filtered. Sigh.<BR><BR>Cheers Harry<BR><BR>Mail offlist and I'll sort it out with you<BR>><BR>> <BR>> On 01/08/2007, *Baker, George* <GEORGE.BAKER@OLDHAM.AC.UK <br>> <mailto:George.Baker@oldham.ac.uk>> wrote:<BR>><BR>> Hi<BR>> That's a definite MAYBE from me<BR>><BR>> How about a trip that includes a Radio Rally?<BR>><BR>> George<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>
From:<BR>> manchesterwireless-bounces+george=networktrainer.co.uk@lists.pointless.net<BR>> <mailto:networktrainer.co.uk@lists.pointless.net>[mailto:<BR>> manchesterwireless-bounces+george=networktrainer.co.uk@lists.pointless.net<BR>> <mailto:manchesterwireless-bounces+george=networktrainer.co.uk@lists.pointless.net>]<BR>> On Behalf Of Reuben Finch<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:47 PM<BR>> To: 'Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list'<BR>> Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?<BR>><BR>> I just say we should organise a "Day Out" where we can all get<BR>> together,<BR>> maybe hire a minibus or two and make it more of an informal social<BR>> event<BR>> whereby we could actually "bounce idea's around and get some real<BR>> direction<BR>> and build some enthusiasm up. I sincerely feel we can harp on all<BR>> we like<BR>> on the mailing list, but a good social event without pressure
of<BR>> achieving<BR>> some strict goal immediately albeit a good time to get together<BR>> would help.<BR>><BR>> Maybe take a trip to winter hill and other key places and see what is<BR>> feasibly possible to achieve with wireless and the contacts we<BR>> have. As<BR>> always, if we have no structure or good foundation we have no future.<BR>><BR>> The idea in my mind, would be to have an enjoyable time and lets<BR>> see what<BR>> can be done "realistically".<BR>><BR>> Besides a good day out... or weekend is a good excuse to get away<BR>> from the<BR>> wife and kids.<BR>><BR>> Honest Scouts Honour!<BR>><BR>> What do you think?<BR>><BR>> Kind Regards,<BR>> Reuben<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From:<BR>> manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=<BR>> btinternet.com@lists.pointless.net<BR>> <mailto:btinternet.com@lists.pointless.net><BR>>
[mailto:manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com@lists.pointle<BR>> <mailto:manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com@lists.pointle><BR>> ss.net <HTTP: ss.net>] On Behalf Of Andy Gauton<BR>> Sent: 31 July 2007 09:46<BR>> To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list<BR>> Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?<BR>><BR>> > The great majority of the people subscribed to this list<BR>> > are a bunch of gonna do time wasters who never<BR>> > achieve anything. Now prove me<BR>> > wrong.<BR>><BR>> Warrington Wireless :) But then again, we are a minority and live<BR>> outside<BR>> of Manchester, and a private network with different aims and goals<BR>> to the<BR>> group.<BR>><BR>> That is one of successful and still working project that I am<BR>> aware of ?<BR>> (with much help and support from Manchester Wireless).<BR>><BR>> Ok, that doesn't quite
answer John's question (if a little harsh,<BR>> but he<BR>> does have a valid point) ....<BR>> there must be other<BR>> achievements? Whether locally or further a field?<BR>><BR>> Edit - just noticed a few more replies. Good to hear of other<BR>> achievements<BR>> :)<BR>><BR>> I have to admit, there has always been a lot of talk and no action<BR>> over the<BR>> years. I'm sure that other people have there own achievements<BR>> thanks to help<BR>><BR>> from<BR>> the group. It would be good to hear from you :)<BR>><BR>> Manchester Wireless group aims and goals need a major revamp and a<BR>> vision to<BR>> head towards. It's been mentioned recently and many times before.<BR>> I'm keen<BR>> to progress with the group (as I'm sure others are as well). It needs<BR>> direction and leadership and a total rewrite of the website.<BR>> Keeping the<BR>> current content on the website is only confusing people,
and<BR>> people hoping<BR>> to get "free" internet (the original aim). It's unlikely to<BR>> happen, unless there is a viable "business" model. There are many<BR>> other<BR>> options available that we could try. Linking networks together<BR>> just the sake<BR>><BR>> of "we've done it" could be a start?<BR>><BR>> Good to see some activity again on the list. Needs the founders to<BR>> lead the<BR>> group. If not, then we may need to question why are we still here?<BR>> Shame if<BR>> this happens.<BR>><BR>> The problem is - to move forward needs support from a number of<BR>> people.<BR>> Whether the support is there I don't know? The last meeting<BR>> attempt, well,<BR>> it was a complete disaster due to very poor planning and no agenda.<BR>><BR>> What do people want out of the group? Why are you subscribed to<BR>> the list? Be<BR>> honest, as this would help everyone decide whether we move
forward<BR>> or stay<BR>> stationary. If people do decide to respond, please don't flame<BR>> anyone, a<BR>> nice open and honest feedback session can do wonders :) if people<BR>> are on the<BR>> list just for free internet, then thats fine as the website<BR>> "promotes" it.<BR>> It would be good to hear from you.<BR>><BR>> It would be good to see us bring the group back into 2007 and<BR>> beyond. That<BR>> needs<BR>> support and people. Without it, we'll still be stuck in 2005. Up<BR>> to you guys<BR>> and girls I guess :)<BR>><BR>> ... not that I'm missing the 3 Arrows and it's fantastic sandwiches or<BR>> anything :) But to put into perspective, those who wanted to get<BR>> something<BR>> out of the group made the effort to attend - it was out of the way<BR>> for most<BR>> people (especially me!) but I made the effort and glad I did. The<BR>> other<BR>> problem is the lack of regulars - only a very
small handful but a<BR>> large<BR>> turnover of newcomers. I think the lack of actual "doing" rather than<BR>> talking prevented the newcomers from attending again......<BR>><BR>> Do we move forward with the group???............<BR>><BR>> Regards<BR>> Andy :)<BR>><BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> ManchesterWireless mailing list<BR>> ManchesterWireless@lists.pointless.net<BR>> <mailto:ManchesterWireless@lists.pointless.net><BR>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless<BR>> <HTTP: manchesterwireless listinfo mailman pointless.net><BR>><BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> ManchesterWireless mailing list<BR>> ManchesterWireless@lists.pointless.net<BR>> <mailto:ManchesterWireless@lists.pointless.net><BR>> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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