<div>For what it's worth, I'm still here... much lagged it would seem but still here.</div>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 01/08/2007, <b class="gmail_sendername">Baker, George</b> <<a href="mailto:George.Baker@oldham.ac.uk">George.Baker@oldham.ac.uk</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hi<br>That's a definite MAYBE from me<br><br>How about a trip that includes a Radio Rally?<br><br>George
<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: manchesterwireless-bounces+george=<a href="mailto:networktrainer.co.uk@lists.pointless.net">networktrainer.co.uk@lists.pointless.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:manchesterwireless-bounces+george=networktrainer.co.uk@lists.pointless.net">
manchesterwireless-bounces+george=networktrainer.co.uk@lists.pointless.net</a>] On Behalf Of Reuben Finch<br>Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:47 PM<br>To: 'Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list'
<br>Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?<br><br>I just say we should organise a "Day Out" where we can all get together,<br>maybe hire a minibus or two and make it more of an informal social event
<br>whereby we could actually "bounce idea's around and get some real direction<br>and build some enthusiasm up. I sincerely feel we can harp on all we like<br>on the mailing list, but a good social event without pressure of achieving
<br>some strict goal immediately albeit a good time to get together would help.<br><br>Maybe take a trip to winter hill and other key places and see what is<br>feasibly possible to achieve with wireless and the contacts we have. As
<br>always, if we have no structure or good foundation we have no future.<br><br>The idea in my mind, would be to have an enjoyable time and lets see what<br>can be done "realistically".<br><br>Besides a good day out... or weekend is a good excuse to get away from the
<br>wife and kids.<br><br>Honest Scouts Honour!<br><br>What do you think?<br><br>Kind Regards,<br>Reuben<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From:<br>manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=<a href="mailto:btinternet.com@lists.pointless.net">
btinternet.com@lists.pointless.net</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com@lists.pointle">manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com@lists.pointle</a><br><a href="http://ss.net">
ss.net</a>] On Behalf Of Andy Gauton<br>Sent: 31 July 2007 09:46<br>To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list<br>Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?<br><br>> The great majority of the people subscribed to this list
<br>> are a bunch of gonna do time wasters who never<br>> achieve anything. Now prove me<br>> wrong.<br><br>Warrington Wireless :) But then again, we are a minority and live outside<br>of Manchester, and a private network with different aims and goals to the
<br>group.<br><br>That is one of successful and still working project that I am aware of ?<br>(with much help and support from Manchester Wireless).<br><br>Ok, that doesn't quite answer John's question (if a little harsh, but he
<br>does have a valid point) ....<br>there must be other<br>achievements? Whether locally or further a field?<br><br>Edit - just noticed a few more replies. Good to hear of other achievements<br>:)<br><br>I have to admit, there has always been a lot of talk and no action over the
<br>years. I'm sure that other people have there own achievements thanks to help<br><br>from<br>the group. It would be good to hear from you :)<br><br>Manchester Wireless group aims and goals need a major revamp and a vision to
<br>head towards. It's been mentioned recently and many times before. I'm keen<br>to progress with the group (as I'm sure others are as well). It needs<br>direction and leadership and a total rewrite of the website. Keeping the
<br>current content on the website is only confusing people, and people hoping<br>to get "free" internet (the original aim). It's unlikely to<br>happen, unless there is a viable "business" model. There are many other
<br>options available that we could try. Linking networks together just the sake<br><br>of "we've done it" could be a start?<br><br>Good to see some activity again on the list. Needs the founders to lead the
<br>group. If not, then we may need to question why are we still here? Shame if<br>this happens.<br><br>The problem is - to move forward needs support from a number of people.<br>Whether the support is there I don't know? The last meeting attempt, well,
<br>it was a complete disaster due to very poor planning and no agenda.<br><br>What do people want out of the group? Why are you subscribed to the list? Be<br>honest, as this would help everyone decide whether we move forward or stay
<br>stationary. If people do decide to respond, please don't flame anyone, a<br>nice open and honest feedback session can do wonders :) if people are on the<br>list just for free internet, then thats fine as the website "promotes" it.
<br>It would be good to hear from you.<br><br>It would be good to see us bring the group back into 2007 and beyond. That<br>needs<br>support and people. Without it, we'll still be stuck in 2005. Up to you guys<br>and girls I guess :)
<br><br>... not that I'm missing the 3 Arrows and it's fantastic sandwiches or<br>anything :) But to put into perspective, those who wanted to get something<br>out of the group made the effort to attend - it was out of the way for most
<br>people (especially me!) but I made the effort and glad I did. The other<br>problem is the lack of regulars - only a very small handful but a large<br>turnover of newcomers. I think the lack of actual "doing" rather than
<br>talking prevented the newcomers from attending again......<br><br>Do we move forward with the group???............<br><br>Regards<br>Andy :)<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>ManchesterWireless mailing list
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