Forgive me if I seem to be flooding this list!<br>I wasn't around when this list first started off, so what were the original goals? And how where they going to be met?<br><br>If the council wireless project is only for government projects/information/etc, then we could beat them to it. If we do somehow manage to get free wireless out there, I would be wiling to set up a manchester only services domain. Say, each company within manchester can have there own "
my-business.man" domain name. Then if it does prove popular, the council may want to join, fund, or something the like. This would help create the private and council link for everybody to enjoy and use.<br><br>Meetings would have to be held regularly yes, as well as on a discussion board like this if we want the information out to the public. As Andy says, each core member will have to try and commit themselves somehow to make this work.
<br><br>But yes, I'm going on now. What were the original goals for this group?<br><br>Darren<br><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 09/01/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Andy Gauton</b> <<a href="mailto:goot@the-crow.co.uk">
goot@the-crow.co.uk</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">If IT Week/Computer Weekly is anything to
go by, the council wireless networks going in around the country are primarily
for accessing local government information etc ie. paying council bills etc and
for use by local goverment employees.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">It would be nice to see the private sector running
a free Wireless service with internet access (just like in public libraries).
However there appears to be some debate as to whether the public will be able to
use it for internet activity.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">There are rumours they may run a paid for service
for business users and therefore also allow the public to "pay as you
go".</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I think the way for Manchester Wireless to go is to
think outside the box (and I think Reuben is thinking the same?) Offering
free/cheap internet isn't enough, the market is saturated with ISP's as it is.
We would need to differentiate ourselves from the rest and offer other services.
Offer email facilities, yes free internet would be nice (who pays for it?), NAS
storage, web hosting. Local business activity in web portals etc. This could
bring revenue in.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">It will need some serious thought and to get the
old crowd back as well. If Harry, Darren, John et al feel that we have a
new goal, and we get core team members regularly involved then I could be
persuaded to become a regular again. We had problems last time with core team
members attending, it needs a core team to manage the project. Ad hoc, as
experienced last time was good to see new faces, but no action was
taken.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">The website needs a complete re-write due to goals
and objectives no longer the same.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">We had big ideas (Rochdale to Manchester wireless
link?) if memory recalls. That would have been an achievement and a half, plus
other local projects. But alas, they never got off the ground.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I don't wish to be negative, but we have
to be realistic. If it's going to work it needs you all and on a
REGULAR (once a month/every other month basis where possible (yes, I understand
work gets in the way).</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">A good starting point would be to contact Harry and
have a chat with him. Then contact the original members and ask them if they are
still interested, plus any new people as there appears to be a number new people
on here who I've not seen before (hi! *waves*)</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Draft a realistic goal and we're away, and count me
in for a meeting :)</font></div><span class="sg">
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Andy :)</font></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:38
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<div><br></div>I'd agree that you have a good point on the timing, now would
be a very good time since wireless is slowly becoming the norm these days. But
as there may be a free city-wide wireless installation in the very near future
provided by the council, wouldn't it make sense to just hold back and see if
that is being rolled out? <br>We wouldn't want to get all hyped up and
rolling, only to be overtaken by this larger set up.<br><br>Darren<br><br><br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 09/01/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Reuben
Finch</b> <<a href="mailto:reuben.finch@btinternet.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
reuben.finch@btinternet.com</a>> wrote:</span>
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Dear All,</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">It is great to see some
discussion again over the mailing list. Does this mean we are back on track
with Manchester Wireless and we can start having meetings
again?</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">We have a lot of talented people
within Manchester Wireless and I honestly feel if we have some good
direction and purpose, a revival would be excellent.</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">All too often, timing is quite
important. Under certain circumstances, one can have excellent ideas,
(futuristic) however I have found people are not exactly ready to take on
new challenges as they are stuck in a comfort zone. People are used to
wireless now and have bought into the idea. </span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Therefore I feel a revival would
make a great difference whereby people will buy into Manchester Wireless and
projects we can realistically achieve</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"></span></font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I would welcome thoughts/ideas
about having meetings again.</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Kind Regards,</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Reuben</span></font></p></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>ManchesterWireless
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