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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Flood as much as you like. The list hasn't seen
this much activity in a long time!! It's good to see :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Have a look on the main web page. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://www.manchesterwireless.net/">http://www.manchesterwireless.net/</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The initial goal and vision was from Rob Kyle
(which unfortunately didn't move with the times) was to offer free internet
access to one and all in Manchester city centre. This was at times when extended
reach ADSL was only talk. When we started doing something, extended reach ADSL
was available to almost everyone and then, well, the rest is history (with not a
lot to show for it I'm afraid).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Check out the mailing list archives. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/">http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A lot of reading, but will give you an idea who and
what everyone was, and why a guy from Warrington (me) set up Warrington Wireless
and core team member of Manchester Wireless.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Andy :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=darren@sirdaz.com href="mailto:darren@sirdaz.com">Darren Scales</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=manchesterwireless@lists.pointless.net
href="mailto:manchesterwireless@lists.pointless.net">Manchester's Wireless
Community Network discussion list</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:18
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [manchesterwireless]
Manchester Wireless Meetings</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>Forgive me if I seem to be
flooding this list!<BR>I wasn't around when this list first started off, so
what were the original goals? And how where they going to be met?<BR><BR>If
the council wireless project is only for government projects/information/etc,
then we could beat them to it. If we do somehow manage to get free wireless
out there, I would be wiling to set up a manchester only services domain. Say,
each company within manchester can have there own " my-business.man" domain
name. Then if it does prove popular, the council may want to join, fund, or
something the like. This would help create the private and council link for
everybody to enjoy and use.<BR><BR>Meetings would have to be held regularly
yes, as well as on a discussion board like this if we want the information out
to the public. As Andy says, each core member will have to try and commit
themselves somehow to make this work. <BR><BR>But yes, I'm going on now. What
were the original goals for this group?<BR><BR>Darren<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 09/01/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Andy
Gauton</B> <<A href="mailto:goot@the-crow.co.uk">
goot@the-crow.co.uk</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If IT Week/Computer Weekly is
anything to go by, the council wireless networks going in around the country
are primarily for accessing local government information etc ie. paying
council bills etc and for use by local goverment employees.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It would be nice to see the private sector
running a free Wireless service with internet access (just like in public
libraries). However there appears to be some debate as to whether the public
will be able to use it for internet activity.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There are rumours they may run a paid for
service for business users and therefore also allow the public to "pay as
you go".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think the way for Manchester Wireless to go
is to think outside the box (and I think Reuben is thinking the same?)
Offering free/cheap internet isn't enough, the market is saturated with
ISP's as it is. We would need to differentiate ourselves from the rest and
offer other services. Offer email facilities, yes free internet would be
nice (who pays for it?), NAS storage, web hosting. Local business activity
in web portals etc. This could bring revenue in.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It will need some serious thought and to get
the old crowd back as well. If Harry, Darren, John et al feel that we
have a new goal, and we get core team members regularly involved then I
could be persuaded to become a regular again. We had problems last time with
core team members attending, it needs a core team to manage the project. Ad
hoc, as experienced last time was good to see new faces, but no action
was taken.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The website needs a complete re-write due to
goals and objectives no longer the same.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We had big ideas (Rochdale to Manchester
wireless link?) if memory recalls. That would have been an achievement and a
half, plus other local projects. But alas, they never got off the
ground.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't wish to be negative, but we
have to be realistic. If it's going to work it needs you all and
on a REGULAR (once a month/every other month basis where possible (yes, I
understand work gets in the way).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A good starting point would be to contact Harry
and have a chat with him. Then contact the original members and ask them if
they are still interested, plus any new people as there appears to be a
number new people on here who I've not seen before (hi!
*waves*)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Draft a realistic goal and we're away, and
count me in for a meeting :)</FONT></DIV><SPAN class=sg>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Andy :)</FONT></DIV></SPAN>
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<A title=manchesterwireless@lists.pointless.net
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Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:38 AM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I'd agree that you have a good point on the timing, now
would be a very good time since wireless is slowly becoming the norm these
days. But as there may be a free city-wide wireless installation in the
very near future provided by the council, wouldn't it make sense to just
hold back and see if that is being rolled out? <BR>We wouldn't want to get
all hyped up and rolling, only to be overtaken by this larger set
up.<BR><BR>Darren<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 09/01/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Reuben
Finch</B> <<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:reuben.finch@btinternet.com" target=_blank>
reuben.finch@btinternet.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dear All,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It is great to see some
discussion again over the mailing list. Does this mean we are back on
track with Manchester Wireless and we can start having meetings
again?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We have a lot of talented
people within Manchester Wireless and I honestly feel if we have some
good direction and purpose, a revival would be
excellent.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">All too often, timing is
quite important. Under certain circumstances, one can have excellent
ideas, (futuristic) however I have found people are not exactly ready to
take on new challenges as they are stuck in a comfort zone. People are
used to wireless now and have bought into the idea. </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Therefore I feel a revival
would make a great difference whereby people will buy into Manchester
Wireless and projects we can realistically achieve</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I would welcome
thoughts/ideas about having meetings again.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Kind
Regards,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Reuben</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>ManchesterWireless
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