From goot at the-crow.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 12:06:47 2007
From: goot at the-crow.co.uk (Andy Gauton)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:06:47 +0100
Subject: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
Message-ID: <002e01c7ceab$e4e830a0$057318ac@wla.int>

Hi All,

Just thought I'd put a shout out to see who is still active on the list? 
Email traffic has been very low, so I'm guessing not many.

Did anyone hear from Harry? I guess the plan at attempting to get a meet 
arranged well through.

Warrington Wireless is still running strong with 3 main households hammering 
it on a daily basis. Recently replaced all 3 routers with "newer" WRT54GS 
and DD-WRT firmware. Signal strengths have increased. Not sure whether this 
is due to the faster processor or the firmware? Either way it's good for us. 
Just looking into a way to combine both the current broadband feed and a 
backup ADSL feed for failover - this appears not to be as straight forward 
as I would have hoped.....

Hope everyone is well.
Regards
Andy :) 



From ewan at longwords.org  Wed Jul 25 12:45:36 2007
From: ewan at longwords.org (Ewan Leith)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:45:36 +0100
Subject: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
In-Reply-To: <002e01c7ceab$e4e830a0$057318ac@wla.int>
References: <002e01c7ceab$e4e830a0$057318ac@wla.int>
Message-ID: <34f439e60707250445x1b0f543fu17ae346f47a250dc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andy, I'm still around, not sure who else is though :)

The least hassle way of doing a failover would probably be build a
list of "heart-beat" ip addresses on the internet, and have the main
router do a loop of ping tests.

if the pings failed for 30 minutes, then it could execute a script to
redo your network settings to point to the other adsl router and
re-run the test. if that also failed, at that point you'd probably
want to fail back to the original settings, so you didn't have a
messed up router sat there dead in the water...

Ewan

On 7/25/07, Andy Gauton <goot at the-crow.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Just thought I'd put a shout out to see who is still active on the list?
> Email traffic has been very low, so I'm guessing not many.
>
> Did anyone hear from Harry? I guess the plan at attempting to get a meet
> arranged well through.
>
> Warrington Wireless is still running strong with 3 main households hammering
> it on a daily basis. Recently replaced all 3 routers with "newer" WRT54GS
> and DD-WRT firmware. Signal strengths have increased. Not sure whether this
> is due to the faster processor or the firmware? Either way it's good for us.
> Just looking into a way to combine both the current broadband feed and a
> backup ADSL feed for failover - this appears not to be as straight forward
> as I would have hoped.....
>
> Hope everyone is well.
> Regards
> Andy :)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ManchesterWireless mailing list
> ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless
>


From reuben.finch at btinternet.com  Thu Jul 26 01:26:58 2007
From: reuben.finch at btinternet.com (Reuben Finch)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:26:58 +0100
Subject: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
In-Reply-To: <34f439e60707250445x1b0f543fu17ae346f47a250dc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1185409673.477.manchesterwireless@lists.pointless.net>

I am alive gents

Kind Regards,
Reuben


-----Original Message-----
From:
manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com at lists.pointless.net
[mailto:manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com at lists.pointle
ss.net] On Behalf Of Ewan Leith
Sent: 25 July 2007 12:46
To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list
Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?

Hi Andy, I'm still around, not sure who else is though :)

The least hassle way of doing a failover would probably be build a
list of "heart-beat" ip addresses on the internet, and have the main
router do a loop of ping tests.

if the pings failed for 30 minutes, then it could execute a script to
redo your network settings to point to the other adsl router and
re-run the test. if that also failed, at that point you'd probably
want to fail back to the original settings, so you didn't have a
messed up router sat there dead in the water...

Ewan

On 7/25/07, Andy Gauton <goot at the-crow.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Just thought I'd put a shout out to see who is still active on the list?
> Email traffic has been very low, so I'm guessing not many.
>
> Did anyone hear from Harry? I guess the plan at attempting to get a meet
> arranged well through.
>
> Warrington Wireless is still running strong with 3 main households
hammering
> it on a daily basis. Recently replaced all 3 routers with "newer" WRT54GS
> and DD-WRT firmware. Signal strengths have increased. Not sure whether
this
> is due to the faster processor or the firmware? Either way it's good for
us.
> Just looking into a way to combine both the current broadband feed and a
> backup ADSL feed for failover - this appears not to be as straight forward
> as I would have hoped.....
>
> Hope everyone is well.
> Regards
> Andy :)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ManchesterWireless mailing list
> ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless
>

_______________________________________________
ManchesterWireless mailing list
ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless



From r at schestowitz.com  Thu Jul 26 05:05:52 2007
From: r at schestowitz.com (Roy Schestowitz)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 05:05:52 +0100
Subject: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
Message-ID: <46A81DA0.9040701@schestowitz.com>

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From harry at shoka.net  Thu Jul 26 23:31:37 2007
From: harry at shoka.net (Harry Moyes)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:31:37 +0100
Subject: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
In-Reply-To: <E1IDrCL-0000Zp-4k@pih-sunmxcore14.plus.net>
References: <E1IDrCL-0000Zp-4k@pih-sunmxcore14.plus.net>
Message-ID: <46A920C9.5050603@shoka.net>

Reuben Finch wrote:

>I am alive gents
>
>Kind Regards,
>Reuben
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:
>manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com at lists.pointless.net
>[mailto:manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com at lists.pointle
>ss.net] On Behalf Of Ewan Leith
>Sent: 25 July 2007 12:46
>To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list
>Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
>
>Hi Andy, I'm still around, not sure who else is though :)
>
>The least hassle way of doing a failover would probably be build a
>list of "heart-beat" ip addresses on the internet, and have the main
>router do a loop of ping tests.
>
>if the pings failed for 30 minutes, then it could execute a script to
>redo your network settings to point to the other adsl router and
>re-run the test. if that also failed, at that point you'd probably
>want to fail back to the original settings, so you didn't have a
>messed up router sat there dead in the water...
>
>Ewan
>
>On 7/25/07, Andy Gauton <goot at the-crow.co.uk> wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>Just thought I'd put a shout out to see who is still active on the list?
>>Email traffic has been very low, so I'm guessing not many.
>>
>>Did anyone hear from Harry? I guess the plan at attempting to get a meet
>>arranged well through.
>>
>>Warrington Wireless is still running strong with 3 main households
>>    
>>
>hammering
>  
>
>>it on a daily basis. Recently replaced all 3 routers with "newer" WRT54GS
>>and DD-WRT firmware. Signal strengths have increased. Not sure whether
>>    
>>
>this
>  
>
>>is due to the faster processor or the firmware? Either way it's good for
>>    
>>
>us.
>  
>
>>Just looking into a way to combine both the current broadband feed and a
>>backup ADSL feed for failover - this appears not to be as straight forward
>>as I would have hoped.....
>>
>>Hope everyone is well.
>>Regards
>>Andy :)
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>ManchesterWireless mailing list
>>ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless
>>
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>ManchesterWireless mailing list
>ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>ManchesterWireless mailing list
>ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless
>
>  
>
Still listening .

Harry


From darren at sirdaz.com  Fri Jul 27 07:28:14 2007
From: darren at sirdaz.com (Darren Scales)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:28:14 +0100
Subject: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
In-Reply-To: <46A920C9.5050603@shoka.net>
References: <E1IDrCL-0000Zp-4k@pih-sunmxcore14.plus.net>
	<46A920C9.5050603@shoka.net>
Message-ID: <59e45eee0707262328s6ad05d91o59b68069d5d18dbd@mail.gmail.com>

Waiting for a burst of thoughts..

On 26/07/07, Harry Moyes <harry at shoka.net> wrote:
>
> Reuben Finch wrote:
>
> >I am alive gents
> >
> >Kind Regards,
> >Reuben
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From:
> >manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=
> btinternet.com at lists.pointless.net
> >[mailto:
> manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com at lists.pointle
> >ss.net] On Behalf Of Ewan Leith
> >Sent: 25 July 2007 12:46
> >To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list
> >Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
> >
> >Hi Andy, I'm still around, not sure who else is though :)
> >
> >The least hassle way of doing a failover would probably be build a
> >list of "heart-beat" ip addresses on the internet, and have the main
> >router do a loop of ping tests.
> >
> >if the pings failed for 30 minutes, then it could execute a script to
> >redo your network settings to point to the other adsl router and
> >re-run the test. if that also failed, at that point you'd probably
> >want to fail back to the original settings, so you didn't have a
> >messed up router sat there dead in the water...
> >
> >Ewan
> >
> >On 7/25/07, Andy Gauton <goot at the-crow.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Hi All,
> >>
> >>Just thought I'd put a shout out to see who is still active on the list?
> >>Email traffic has been very low, so I'm guessing not many.
> >>
> >>Did anyone hear from Harry? I guess the plan at attempting to get a meet
> >>arranged well through.
> >>
> >>Warrington Wireless is still running strong with 3 main households
> >>
> >>
> >hammering
> >
> >
> >>it on a daily basis. Recently replaced all 3 routers with "newer"
> WRT54GS
> >>and DD-WRT firmware. Signal strengths have increased. Not sure whether
> >>
> >>
> >this
> >
> >
> >>is due to the faster processor or the firmware? Either way it's good for
> >>
> >>
> >us.
> >
> >
> >>Just looking into a way to combine both the current broadband feed and a
> >>backup ADSL feed for failover - this appears not to be as straight
> forward
> >>as I would have hoped.....
> >>
> >>Hope everyone is well.
> >>Regards
> >>Andy :)
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>ManchesterWireless mailing list
> >>ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
> >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >ManchesterWireless mailing list
> >ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
> >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >ManchesterWireless mailing list
> >ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
> >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless
> >
> >
> >
> Still listening .
>
> Harry
>
> _______________________________________________
> ManchesterWireless mailing list
> ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless
>
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From George.Baker at oldham.ac.uk  Sun Jul 29 00:55:50 2007
From: George.Baker at oldham.ac.uk (Baker, George)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:55:50 +0100
Subject: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
References: <E1IDrCL-0000Zp-4k@pih-sunmxcore14.plus.net>
	<46A920C9.5050603@shoka.net>
Message-ID: <33816A2BC890764BAFE5F471DF4818E2286EE6@OC-STAFFMAIL1.oldham.ac.uk>

Hi
I'm here
George

________________________________

From: manchesterwireless-bounces+george.baker=oldham.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of Harry Moyes
Sent: Thu 26/07/2007 23:31
To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list
Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?



Reuben Finch wrote:

>I am alive gents
>
>Kind Regards,
>Reuben
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:
>manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com at lists.pointless.net
>[mailto:manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com at lists.pointle
>ss.net] On Behalf Of Ewan Leith
>Sent: 25 July 2007 12:46
>To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list
>Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
>
>Hi Andy, I'm still around, not sure who else is though :)
>
>The least hassle way of doing a failover would probably be build a
>list of "heart-beat" ip addresses on the internet, and have the main
>router do a loop of ping tests.
>
>if the pings failed for 30 minutes, then it could execute a script to
>redo your network settings to point to the other adsl router and
>re-run the test. if that also failed, at that point you'd probably
>want to fail back to the original settings, so you didn't have a
>messed up router sat there dead in the water...
>
>Ewan
>
>On 7/25/07, Andy Gauton <goot at the-crow.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>Just thought I'd put a shout out to see who is still active on the list?
>>Email traffic has been very low, so I'm guessing not many.
>>
>>Did anyone hear from Harry? I guess the plan at attempting to get a meet
>>arranged well through.
>>
>>Warrington Wireless is still running strong with 3 main households
>>   
>>
>hammering
> 
>
>>it on a daily basis. Recently replaced all 3 routers with "newer" WRT54GS
>>and DD-WRT firmware. Signal strengths have increased. Not sure whether
>>   
>>
>this
> 
>
>>is due to the faster processor or the firmware? Either way it's good for
>>   
>>
>us.
> 
>
>>Just looking into a way to combine both the current broadband feed and a
>>backup ADSL feed for failover - this appears not to be as straight forward
>>as I would have hoped.....
>>
>>Hope everyone is well.
>>Regards
>>Andy :)
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>ManchesterWireless mailing list
>>ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
>>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless
>>
>>   
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>ManchesterWireless mailing list
>ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>ManchesterWireless mailing list
>ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless
>
> 
>
Still listening .

Harry

_______________________________________________
ManchesterWireless mailing list
ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless




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From darren at sirdaz.com  Sun Jul 29 13:31:22 2007
From: darren at sirdaz.com (Darren Scales)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:31:22 +0100
Subject: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
In-Reply-To: <33816A2BC890764BAFE5F471DF4818E2286EE6@OC-STAFFMAIL1.oldham.ac.uk>
References: <E1IDrCL-0000Zp-4k@pih-sunmxcore14.plus.net>
	<46A920C9.5050603@shoka.net>
	<33816A2BC890764BAFE5F471DF4818E2286EE6@OC-STAFFMAIL1.oldham.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <59e45eee0707290531n6ba32f28p890b97edafeaa746@mail.gmail.com>

As far as I've been here, there never seems to have been any definitive aim
for this group. I think if there was a specific aim, we would all have the
same direction of focus, driving us to actually do something rather than
talk about a very general wireless idea.
I know there was a meeting arranged with only 1 person (i think) that showed
up, but again, nobody knew exactly what this group was trying to offer.

So why don't we all think about what we actually want to achieve, and how to
go about it. Providing wireless service to the Manchester area, which
will....

Once we have clear goals and milestones, we can then think about meetings.

Darren


On 29/07/07, Baker, George <George.Baker at oldham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi
> I'm here
> George
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: manchesterwireless-bounces+george.baker=
> oldham.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of Harry Moyes
> Sent: Thu 26/07/2007 23:31
> To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list
> Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
>
>
>
> Reuben Finch wrote:
>
> >I am alive gents
> >
> >Kind Regards,
> >Reuben
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From:
> >manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=
> btinternet.com at lists.pointless.net
> >[mailto:
> manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com at lists.pointle
> >ss.net] On Behalf Of Ewan Leith
> >Sent: 25 July 2007 12:46
> >To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list
> >Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
> >
> >Hi Andy, I'm still around, not sure who else is though :)
> >
> >The least hassle way of doing a failover would probably be build a
> >list of "heart-beat" ip addresses on the internet, and have the main
> >router do a loop of ping tests.
> >
> >if the pings failed for 30 minutes, then it could execute a script to
> >redo your network settings to point to the other adsl router and
> >re-run the test. if that also failed, at that point you'd probably
> >want to fail back to the original settings, so you didn't have a
> >messed up router sat there dead in the water...
> >
> >Ewan
> >
> >On 7/25/07, Andy Gauton <goot at the-crow.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Hi All,
> >>
> >>Just thought I'd put a shout out to see who is still active on the list?
> >>Email traffic has been very low, so I'm guessing not many.
> >>
> >>Did anyone hear from Harry? I guess the plan at attempting to get a meet
> >>arranged well through.
> >>
> >>Warrington Wireless is still running strong with 3 main households
> >>
> >>
> >hammering
> >
> >
> >>it on a daily basis. Recently replaced all 3 routers with "newer"
> WRT54GS
> >>and DD-WRT firmware. Signal strengths have increased. Not sure whether
> >>
> >>
> >this
> >
> >
> >>is due to the faster processor or the firmware? Either way it's good for
> >>
> >>
> >us.
> >
> >
> >>Just looking into a way to combine both the current broadband feed and a
> >>backup ADSL feed for failover - this appears not to be as straight
> forward
> >>as I would have hoped.....
> >>
> >>Hope everyone is well.
> >>Regards
> >>Andy :)
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>ManchesterWireless mailing list
> >>ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
> >>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >ManchesterWireless mailing list
> >ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
> >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >ManchesterWireless mailing list
> >ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
> >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless
> >
> >
> >
> Still listening .
>
> Harry
>
> _______________________________________________
> ManchesterWireless mailing list
> ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ManchesterWireless mailing list
> ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless
>
>
>
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From muchmorebeer at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jul 30 09:28:26 2007
From: muchmorebeer at yahoo.co.uk (simon roberts)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 01:28:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
In-Reply-To: <33816A2BC890764BAFE5F471DF4818E2286EE6@OC-STAFFMAIL1.oldham.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <885590.78197.qm@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

so am i 
   
  S
X

"Baker, George" <George.Baker at oldham.ac.uk> wrote:
  Hi
I'm here
George

________________________________

From: manchesterwireless-bounces+george.baker=oldham.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of Harry Moyes
Sent: Thu 26/07/2007 23:31
To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list
Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?



Reuben Finch wrote:

>I am alive gents
>
>Kind Regards,
>Reuben
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:
>manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com at lists.pointless.net
>[mailto:manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com at lists.pointle
>ss.net] On Behalf Of Ewan Leith
>Sent: 25 July 2007 12:46
>To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list
>Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
>
>Hi Andy, I'm still around, not sure who else is though :)
>
>The least hassle way of doing a failover would probably be build a
>list of "heart-beat" ip addresses on the internet, and have the main
>router do a loop of ping tests.
>
>if the pings failed for 30 minutes, then it could execute a script to
>redo your network settings to point to the other adsl router and
>re-run the test. if that also failed, at that point you'd probably
>want to fail back to the original settings, so you didn't have a
>messed up router sat there dead in the water...
>
>Ewan
>
>On 7/25/07, Andy Gauton wrote:
> 
>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>Just thought I'd put a shout out to see who is still active on the list?
>>Email traffic has been very low, so I'm guessing not many.
>>
>>Did anyone hear from Harry? I guess the plan at attempting to get a meet
>>arranged well through.
>>
>>Warrington Wireless is still running strong with 3 main households
>> 
>>
>hammering
> 
>
>>it on a daily basis. Recently replaced all 3 routers with "newer" WRT54GS
>>and DD-WRT firmware. Signal strengths have increased. Not sure whether
>> 
>>
>this
> 
>
>>is due to the faster processor or the firmware? Either way it's good for
>> 
>>
>us.
> 
>
>>Just looking into a way to combine both the current broadband feed and a
>>backup ADSL feed for failover - this appears not to be as straight forward
>>as I would have hoped.....
>>
>>Hope everyone is well.
>>Regards
>>Andy :)
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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From jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk  Mon Jul 30 10:21:17 2007
From: jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk (jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:21:17 +0300
Subject: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
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So am I but someone has to say it so here it is:-

The great majority of the people subscribed to this list are a bunch
of gonna do time wasters who never achieve anything. Now prove me
wrong.

John Greenwood.

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:06:47 +0100, you wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>Just thought I'd put a shout out to see who is still active on the list? 
>Email traffic has been very low, so I'm guessing not many.
>
>Did anyone hear from Harry? I guess the plan at attempting to get a meet 
>arranged well through.
>
>Warrington Wireless is still running strong with 3 main households hammering 
>it on a daily basis. Recently replaced all 3 routers with "newer" WRT54GS 
>and DD-WRT firmware. Signal strengths have increased. Not sure whether this 
>is due to the faster processor or the firmware? Either way it's good for us. 
>Just looking into a way to combine both the current broadband feed and a 
>backup ADSL feed for failover - this appears not to be as straight forward 
>as I would have hoped.....
>
>Hope everyone is well.
>Regards
>Andy :) 
>
>
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From M.B.Gaved at open.ac.uk  Mon Jul 30 15:49:10 2007
From: M.B.Gaved at open.ac.uk (M.B.Gaved)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:49:10 +0100
Subject: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
References: <002e01c7ceab$e4e830a0$057318ac@wla.int>
	<l6bra35t5nqcavdj2hk67mcg2rnejgsm8n@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <E0FEA5DF00E59E409F90C854A1B45BAA045F8B07@EPPING-EVS1.open.ac.uk>

hi all

I'm still around, still down in Milton Keynes and keen to chip in on the list and share ideas. Still learning!

what have I been up to? ooh...

- Digcoop in Hackney is still going strong, we've got 50 subscribers in 29 properties, just coming up to our 6th birthday in November. 

- Set up Mehetnet in Hackney 3 years ago - bit of a struggle but now ticking over with about a dozen subscribers in 2 streets.

- Helped out the Open University where I am studying with a wireless network, so mobility impaired students can take part in geology field trips -"ERA"
http://kmi.open.ac.uk/projects/era/
... just finished the second year of operation, started last summer, and looks like they want to do more wireless networking in future

Still got a lot to learn though so up for knocking ideas around still... just finishing PhD writing on community networks, will let you know when it's done and out there.

regards and best wishes to all
Mark

Mark Gaved
Knowledge Media Institute
The Open University
Walton Hall
Milton Keynes, UK
MK7 6AA

http://kmi.open.ac.uk/people/mark


-----Original Message-----
From: manchesterwireless-bounces+m.b.gaved=open.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk
Sent: Mon 7/30/2007 10:21 AM
To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list
Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
 
So am I but someone has to say it so here it is:-

The great majority of the people subscribed to this list are a bunch
of gonna do time wasters who never achieve anything. Now prove me
wrong.

John Greenwood.

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:06:47 +0100, you wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>Just thought I'd put a shout out to see who is still active on the list? 
>Email traffic has been very low, so I'm guessing not many.
>
>Did anyone hear from Harry? I guess the plan at attempting to get a meet 
>arranged well through.
>
>Warrington Wireless is still running strong with 3 main households hammering 
>it on a daily basis. Recently replaced all 3 routers with "newer" WRT54GS 
>and DD-WRT firmware. Signal strengths have increased. Not sure whether this 
>is due to the faster processor or the firmware? Either way it's good for us. 
>Just looking into a way to combine both the current broadband feed and a 
>backup ADSL feed for failover - this appears not to be as straight forward 
>as I would have hoped.....
>
>Hope everyone is well.
>Regards
>Andy :) 
>
>
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>ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
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From goot at the-crow.co.uk  Tue Jul 31 09:46:11 2007
From: goot at the-crow.co.uk (Andy Gauton)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:46:11 +0100
Subject: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
References: <002e01c7ceab$e4e830a0$057318ac@wla.int>
	<l6bra35t5nqcavdj2hk67mcg2rnejgsm8n@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <000201c7d34f$51a31d70$a27018ac@wla.int>

> The great majority of the people subscribed to this list
> are a bunch of gonna do time wasters who never
> achieve anything. Now prove me
> wrong.

Warrington Wireless :)  But then again, we are a minority and live outside
of Manchester, and a private network with different aims and goals to the
group.

That is one of successful and still working project that I am aware of ?
(with much help and support from Manchester Wireless).

Ok, that doesn't quite answer John's question (if a little harsh, but he 
does have a valid point) ....
there must be other
achievements? Whether locally or further a field?

Edit - just noticed a few more replies. Good to hear of other achievements 
:)

I have to admit, there has always been a lot of talk and no action over the
years. I'm sure that other people have there own achievements thanks to help 
from
the group. It would be good to hear from you :)

Manchester Wireless group aims and goals need a major revamp and a vision to
head towards. It's been mentioned recently and many times before. I'm keen
to progress with the group (as I'm sure others are as well). It needs
direction and leadership and a total rewrite of the website. Keeping the
current content on the website is only confusing people, and people hoping
to get "free" internet (the original aim). It's unlikely to
happen, unless there is a viable "business" model. There are many other 
options available that we could try. Linking networks together just the sake 
of "we've done it" could be a start?

Good to see some activity again on the list. Needs the founders to lead the
group. If not, then we may need to question why are we still here? Shame if
this happens.

The problem is - to move forward needs support from a number of people.
Whether the support is there I don't know? The last meeting attempt, well,
it was a complete disaster due to very poor planning and no agenda.

What do people want out of the group? Why are you subscribed to the list? Be
honest, as this would help everyone decide whether we move forward or stay
stationary. If people do decide to respond, please don't flame anyone, a
nice open and honest feedback session can do wonders :) if people are on the
list just for free internet, then thats fine as the website "promotes" it. 
It would be good to hear from you.

It would be good to see us bring the group back into 2007 and beyond. That
needs
support and people. Without it, we'll still be stuck in 2005. Up to you guys
and girls I guess :)

... not that I'm missing the 3 Arrows and it's fantastic sandwiches or
anything :) But to put into perspective, those who wanted to get something
out of the group made the effort to attend - it was out of the way for most
people (especially me!) but I made the effort and glad I did. The other
problem is the lack of regulars - only a very small handful but a large
turnover of newcomers. I think the lack of actual "doing" rather than
talking prevented the newcomers from attending again......

Do we move forward with the group???............

Regards
Andy :)



From M.B.Gaved at open.ac.uk  Tue Jul 31 10:31:54 2007
From: M.B.Gaved at open.ac.uk (M.B.Gaved)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:31:54 +0100
Subject: [manchesterwireless]  I'm still up for chatting!
References: <002e01c7ceab$e4e830a0$057318ac@wla.int><l6bra35t5nqcavdj2hk67mcg2rnejgsm8n@4ax.com>
	<000201c7d34f$51a31d70$a27018ac@wla.int>
Message-ID: <E0FEA5DF00E59E409F90C854A1B45BAA045F8B13@EPPING-EVS1.open.ac.uk>

A bit like Andy I feel a bit out on a limb as I am not actually in Manchester - quite a way out :-) but heck I know James of Boundless/ Consume is on the list and he's another 50 miles down south from me!

I'm on the list because I am interested to know what other people are up to in the country. Sometimes I get stuck on a problem and it's good to be able to post up a question and get to chat to folk who might be able to help, and vice versa I'm always up for helping other folk if I can. I can't get to Manchester that often, though my brother is living in your fine town so I do visit every so often, could coordinate if a meeting was coming up ...

Really interested to hear about folk using DD-WRT, I've been using freifunk (based on Open WRT), it's doing the job, but I might pick yer brains in the future. Heck of a lot to learn right across the board regarding networking kit so I really benefit from being on a couple of different lists and chatting to folk and meeting up sometimes. 

all the best
Mark

Mark Gaved
Knowledge Media Institute
The Open University
Walton Hall
Milton Keynes, UK
MK7 6AA

http://kmi.open.ac.uk/people/mark


-----Original Message-----
From: manchesterwireless-bounces+m.b.gaved=open.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of Andy Gauton
Sent: Tue 7/31/2007 9:46 AM
To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list
Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
 
> The great majority of the people subscribed to this list
> are a bunch of gonna do time wasters who never
> achieve anything. Now prove me
> wrong.

Warrington Wireless :)  But then again, we are a minority and live outside
of Manchester, and a private network with different aims and goals to the
group.

That is one of successful and still working project that I am aware of ?
(with much help and support from Manchester Wireless).

Ok, that doesn't quite answer John's question (if a little harsh, but he 
does have a valid point) ....
there must be other
achievements? Whether locally or further a field?

Edit - just noticed a few more replies. Good to hear of other achievements 
:)

I have to admit, there has always been a lot of talk and no action over the
years. I'm sure that other people have there own achievements thanks to help 
from
the group. It would be good to hear from you :)

Manchester Wireless group aims and goals need a major revamp and a vision to
head towards. It's been mentioned recently and many times before. I'm keen
to progress with the group (as I'm sure others are as well). It needs
direction and leadership and a total rewrite of the website. Keeping the
current content on the website is only confusing people, and people hoping
to get "free" internet (the original aim). It's unlikely to
happen, unless there is a viable "business" model. There are many other 
options available that we could try. Linking networks together just the sake 
of "we've done it" could be a start?

Good to see some activity again on the list. Needs the founders to lead the
group. If not, then we may need to question why are we still here? Shame if
this happens.

The problem is - to move forward needs support from a number of people.
Whether the support is there I don't know? The last meeting attempt, well,
it was a complete disaster due to very poor planning and no agenda.

What do people want out of the group? Why are you subscribed to the list? Be
honest, as this would help everyone decide whether we move forward or stay
stationary. If people do decide to respond, please don't flame anyone, a
nice open and honest feedback session can do wonders :) if people are on the
list just for free internet, then thats fine as the website "promotes" it. 
It would be good to hear from you.

It would be good to see us bring the group back into 2007 and beyond. That
needs
support and people. Without it, we'll still be stuck in 2005. Up to you guys
and girls I guess :)

... not that I'm missing the 3 Arrows and it's fantastic sandwiches or
anything :) But to put into perspective, those who wanted to get something
out of the group made the effort to attend - it was out of the way for most
people (especially me!) but I made the effort and glad I did. The other
problem is the lack of regulars - only a very small handful but a large
turnover of newcomers. I think the lack of actual "doing" rather than
talking prevented the newcomers from attending again......

Do we move forward with the group???............

Regards
Andy :)


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From reuben.finch at btinternet.com  Tue Jul 31 14:47:26 2007
From: reuben.finch at btinternet.com (Reuben Finch)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:47:26 +0100
Subject: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
In-Reply-To: <000201c7d34f$51a31d70$a27018ac@wla.int>
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I just say we should organise a "Day Out" where we can all get together,
maybe hire a minibus or two and make it more of an informal social event
whereby we could actually "bounce idea's around and get some real direction
and build some enthusiasm up.  I sincerely feel we can harp on all we like
on the mailing list, but a good social event without pressure of achieving
some strict goal immediately albeit a good time to get together would help. 

Maybe take a trip to winter hill and other key places and see what is
feasibly possible to achieve with wireless and the contacts we have.  As
always, if we have no structure or good foundation we have no future.

The idea in my mind, would be to have an enjoyable time and lets see what
can be done "realistically".

Besides a good day out... or weekend is a good excuse to get away from the
wife and kids.

Honest Scouts Honour!

What do you think? 

Kind Regards,
Reuben

-----Original Message-----
From:
manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com at lists.pointless.net
[mailto:manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com at lists.pointle
ss.net] On Behalf Of Andy Gauton
Sent: 31 July 2007 09:46
To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list
Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?

> The great majority of the people subscribed to this list
> are a bunch of gonna do time wasters who never
> achieve anything. Now prove me
> wrong.

Warrington Wireless :)  But then again, we are a minority and live outside
of Manchester, and a private network with different aims and goals to the
group.

That is one of successful and still working project that I am aware of ?
(with much help and support from Manchester Wireless).

Ok, that doesn't quite answer John's question (if a little harsh, but he 
does have a valid point) ....
there must be other
achievements? Whether locally or further a field?

Edit - just noticed a few more replies. Good to hear of other achievements 
:)

I have to admit, there has always been a lot of talk and no action over the
years. I'm sure that other people have there own achievements thanks to help

from
the group. It would be good to hear from you :)

Manchester Wireless group aims and goals need a major revamp and a vision to
head towards. It's been mentioned recently and many times before. I'm keen
to progress with the group (as I'm sure others are as well). It needs
direction and leadership and a total rewrite of the website. Keeping the
current content on the website is only confusing people, and people hoping
to get "free" internet (the original aim). It's unlikely to
happen, unless there is a viable "business" model. There are many other 
options available that we could try. Linking networks together just the sake

of "we've done it" could be a start?

Good to see some activity again on the list. Needs the founders to lead the
group. If not, then we may need to question why are we still here? Shame if
this happens.

The problem is - to move forward needs support from a number of people.
Whether the support is there I don't know? The last meeting attempt, well,
it was a complete disaster due to very poor planning and no agenda.

What do people want out of the group? Why are you subscribed to the list? Be
honest, as this would help everyone decide whether we move forward or stay
stationary. If people do decide to respond, please don't flame anyone, a
nice open and honest feedback session can do wonders :) if people are on the
list just for free internet, then thats fine as the website "promotes" it. 
It would be good to hear from you.

It would be good to see us bring the group back into 2007 and beyond. That
needs
support and people. Without it, we'll still be stuck in 2005. Up to you guys
and girls I guess :)

... not that I'm missing the 3 Arrows and it's fantastic sandwiches or
anything :) But to put into perspective, those who wanted to get something
out of the group made the effort to attend - it was out of the way for most
people (especially me!) but I made the effort and glad I did. The other
problem is the lack of regulars - only a very small handful but a large
turnover of newcomers. I think the lack of actual "doing" rather than
talking prevented the newcomers from attending again......

Do we move forward with the group???............

Regards
Andy :)


_______________________________________________
ManchesterWireless mailing list
ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless



From jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk  Tue Jul 31 13:46:16 2007
From: jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk (jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:46:16 +0300
Subject: [manchesterwireless] I'm still up for chatting!
In-Reply-To: <E0FEA5DF00E59E409F90C854A1B45BAA045F8B13@EPPING-EVS1.open.ac.uk>
References: <002e01c7ceab$e4e830a0$057318ac@wla.int><l6bra35t5nqcavdj2hk67mcg2rnejgsm8n@4ax.com>
	<000201c7d34f$51a31d70$a27018ac@wla.int>
	<E0FEA5DF00E59E409F90C854A1B45BAA045F8B13@EPPING-EVS1.open.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <eabua3l7jshi6dj0081qa0i14sh1smk2i4@4ax.com>

Hi Mark,
		dd-wrt is OK but if you want to have a better product
by a long way openwrt is the firmware of choice. 

I use both openwrt and dd-wrt. If you want to use a firmware 'out of
the box' then dd-wrt is OK but if you want extras like running all the
wonderful packages that are available then you are left with only one
choice IMHO and that is openwrt and for the openwrt, kamikaze is the
one to go for. It is a config based OS and it runs great whereas the
alternative openwrt offering 'white russian' is an NVram based product
similar to dd-wrt. The difference being that dd-wrt has only read only
rootfs and openwrt does not which is better.

John.

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:31:54 +0100, you wrote:

>A bit like Andy I feel a bit out on a limb as I am not actually in Manchester - quite a way out :-) but heck I know James of Boundless/ Consume is on the list and he's another 50 miles down south from me!
>
>I'm on the list because I am interested to know what other people are up to in the country. Sometimes I get stuck on a problem and it's good to be able to post up a question and get to chat to folk who might be able to help, and vice versa I'm always up for helping other folk if I can. I can't get to Manchester that often, though my brother is living in your fine town so I do visit every so often, could coordinate if a meeting was coming up ...
>
>Really interested to hear about folk using DD-WRT, I've been using freifunk (based on Open WRT), it's doing the job, but I might pick yer brains in the future. Heck of a lot to learn right across the board regarding networking kit so I really benefit from being on a couple of different lists and chatting to folk and meeting up sometimes. 
>
>all the best
>Mark
>
>Mark Gaved
>Knowledge Media Institute
>The Open University
>Walton Hall
>Milton Keynes, UK
>MK7 6AA
>
>http://kmi.open.ac.uk/people/mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: manchesterwireless-bounces+m.b.gaved=open.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of Andy Gauton
>Sent: Tue 7/31/2007 9:46 AM
>To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list
>Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active?
> 
>> The great majority of the people subscribed to this list
>> are a bunch of gonna do time wasters who never
>> achieve anything. Now prove me
>> wrong.
>
>Warrington Wireless :)  But then again, we are a minority and live outside
>of Manchester, and a private network with different aims and goals to the
>group.
>
>That is one of successful and still working project that I am aware of ?
>(with much help and support from Manchester Wireless).
>
>Ok, that doesn't quite answer John's question (if a little harsh, but he 
>does have a valid point) ....
>there must be other
>achievements? Whether locally or further a field?
>
>Edit - just noticed a few more replies. Good to hear of other achievements 
>:)
>
>I have to admit, there has always been a lot of talk and no action over the
>years. I'm sure that other people have there own achievements thanks to help 
>from
>the group. It would be good to hear from you :)
>
>Manchester Wireless group aims and goals need a major revamp and a vision to
>head towards. It's been mentioned recently and many times before. I'm keen
>to progress with the group (as I'm sure others are as well). It needs
>direction and leadership and a total rewrite of the website. Keeping the
>current content on the website is only confusing people, and people hoping
>to get "free" internet (the original aim). It's unlikely to
>happen, unless there is a viable "business" model. There are many other 
>options available that we could try. Linking networks together just the sake 
>of "we've done it" could be a start?
>
>Good to see some activity again on the list. Needs the founders to lead the
>group. If not, then we may need to question why are we still here? Shame if
>this happens.
>
>The problem is - to move forward needs support from a number of people.
>Whether the support is there I don't know? The last meeting attempt, well,
>it was a complete disaster due to very poor planning and no agenda.
>
>What do people want out of the group? Why are you subscribed to the list? Be
>honest, as this would help everyone decide whether we move forward or stay
>stationary. If people do decide to respond, please don't flame anyone, a
>nice open and honest feedback session can do wonders :) if people are on the
>list just for free internet, then thats fine as the website "promotes" it. 
>It would be good to hear from you.
>
>It would be good to see us bring the group back into 2007 and beyond. That
>needs
>support and people. Without it, we'll still be stuck in 2005. Up to you guys
>and girls I guess :)
>
>... not that I'm missing the 3 Arrows and it's fantastic sandwiches or
>anything :) But to put into perspective, those who wanted to get something
>out of the group made the effort to attend - it was out of the way for most
>people (especially me!) but I made the effort and glad I did. The other
>problem is the lack of regulars - only a very small handful but a large
>turnover of newcomers. I think the lack of actual "doing" rather than
>talking prevented the newcomers from attending again......
>
>Do we move forward with the group???............
>
>Regards
>Andy :)
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>ManchesterWireless mailing list
>ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net
>http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless
>
>
>
>
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