From mark.jorgensen at siemens.com Wed Jan 3 14:40:31 2007 From: mark.jorgensen at siemens.com (Jorgensen, Mark) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 14:40:31 +0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless" mailing list Message-ID: I am having trouble connecting to any wireless networks, I live in the city centre so I was wondering if you could shed any light or give any advise for this? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-request at lists.pointless.net [mailto:manchesterwireless-request at lists.pointless.net] Sent: 03 January 2007 14:37 To: Jorgensen, Mark Subject: Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless" mailing list Welcome to the ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net mailing list! Feel free to introduce yourself on the list; where you are based, how you heard about the project, and if you plan to set up a node. If you have any questions that are unanswered on the website, list members will be happy to answer them. 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From George.Baker at oldham.ac.uk Wed Jan 3 15:48:15 2007 From: George.Baker at oldham.ac.uk (Baker, George) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:48:15 -0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless"mailing list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <33816A2BC890764BAFE5F471DF4818E21B57CF@OC-STAFFMAIL1.oldham.ac.uk> Hi Could you provide some more detail George -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-bounces+george=networktrainer.co.uk at lists.pointless.net [mailto:manchesterwireless-bounces+george=networktrainer.co.uk at lists.pointless.net] On Behalf Of Jorgensen, Mark Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:41 PM To: manchesterwireless at lists.pointless.net Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless"mailing list I am having trouble connecting to any wireless networks, I live in the city centre so I was wondering if you could shed any light or give any advise for this? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-request at lists.pointless.net [mailto:manchesterwireless-request at lists.pointless.net] Sent: 03 January 2007 14:37 To: Jorgensen, Mark Subject: Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless" mailing list Welcome to the ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net mailing list! Feel free to introduce yourself on the list; where you are based, how you heard about the project, and if you plan to set up a node. If you have any questions that are unanswered on the website, list members will be happy to answer them. 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This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. _______________________________________________ ManchesterWireless mailing list ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless From mark.jorgensen at siemens.com Wed Jan 3 15:54:49 2007 From: mark.jorgensen at siemens.com (Jorgensen, Mark) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:54:49 +0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless"maili ng list Message-ID: Yes, I live on Aytoun street, one of my flatmates has actually accessed a wireless network but it is very slow and cuts out frequently. I cannot access anything at all, my computer is new with a built-in wireless card and does pick up around 2 or so networks but from what I can see they are just small home networks I think as they are security protected? I thought that given my proximity in the city centre I'd be able to pick one up quite easily? I am not particularly savy as I'm fairly new to wireless so if there's any specific info you need then please let me know? Thanks for your help. -----Original Message----- From: Baker, George [mailto:George.Baker at oldham.ac.uk] Sent: 03 January 2007 15:48 To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless"mailing list Hi Could you provide some more detail George -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-bounces+george=networktrainer.co.uk at lists.pointless.net [mailto:manchesterwireless-bounces+george=networktrainer.co.uk at lists.pointle ss.net] On Behalf Of Jorgensen, Mark Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:41 PM To: manchesterwireless at lists.pointless.net Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless"mailing list I am having trouble connecting to any wireless networks, I live in the city centre so I was wondering if you could shed any light or give any advise for this? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-request at lists.pointless.net [mailto:manchesterwireless-request at lists.pointless.net] Sent: 03 January 2007 14:37 To: Jorgensen, Mark Subject: Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless" mailing list Welcome to the ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net mailing list! Feel free to introduce yourself on the list; where you are based, how you heard about the project, and if you plan to set up a node. If you have any questions that are unanswered on the website, list members will be happy to answer them. 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There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. _______________________________________________ ManchesterWireless mailing list ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless _______________________________________________ ManchesterWireless mailing list ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless From muchmorebeer at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 3 17:01:26 2007 From: muchmorebeer at yahoo.co.uk (simon roberts) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 09:01:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [manchesterwireless] Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless"maili ng list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <815715.21728.qm@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> i spotted one down deansgate that seems to be free it especially strong by the end of the big hotel cheers s "Jorgensen, Mark" wrote: Yes, I live on Aytoun street, one of my flatmates has actually accessed a wireless network but it is very slow and cuts out frequently. I cannot access anything at all, my computer is new with a built-in wireless card and does pick up around 2 or so networks but from what I can see they are just small home networks I think as they are security protected? I thought that given my proximity in the city centre I'd be able to pick one up quite easily? I am not particularly savy as I'm fairly new to wireless so if there's any specific info you need then please let me know? Thanks for your help. -----Original Message----- From: Baker, George [mailto:George.Baker at oldham.ac.uk] Sent: 03 January 2007 15:48 To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless"mailing list Hi Could you provide some more detail George -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-bounces+george=networktrainer.co.uk at lists.pointless.net [mailto:manchesterwireless-bounces+george=networktrainer.co.uk at lists.pointle ss.net] On Behalf Of Jorgensen, Mark Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:41 PM To: manchesterwireless at lists.pointless.net Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless"mailing list I am having trouble connecting to any wireless networks, I live in the city centre so I was wondering if you could shed any light or give any advise for this? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-request at lists.pointless.net [mailto:manchesterwireless-request at lists.pointless.net] Sent: 03 January 2007 14:37 To: Jorgensen, Mark Subject: Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless" mailing list Welcome to the ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net mailing list! Feel free to introduce yourself on the list; where you are based, how you heard about the project, and if you plan to set up a node. If you have any questions that are unanswered on the website, list members will be happy to answer them. 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If a shop or other premises offers free wifi, it'd make sense to add an entry to the Open Guide to Manchester, and put it in the Free Wifi category: http://manchester.openguides.org/?Category_Free_Wifi Dave -- Dave Page Jabber: grimoire at jabber.earth.li From james at spc.org Wed Jan 3 21:09:49 2007 From: james at spc.org (James Stevens) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:09:49 +0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless" mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <459C1B9D.8040409@spc.org> ho ho ho love SANTA Jorgensen, Mark wrote: > I am having trouble connecting to any wireless networks, I live in the city > centre so I was wondering if you could shed any light or give any advise for > this? > > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: manchesterwireless-request at lists.pointless.net > [mailto:manchesterwireless-request at lists.pointless.net] > Sent: 03 January 2007 14:37 > To: Jorgensen, Mark > Subject: Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless" mailing list > > Welcome to the ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net mailing list! > Feel free to introduce yourself on the list; where you are based, how > you heard about the project, and if you plan to set up a node. > > If you have any questions that are unanswered on the website, list > members will be happy to answer them. > > To post to this list, send your email to: > > manchesterwireless at lists.pointless.net > > General information about the mailing list is at: > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > > If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to > or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your > subscription page at: > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/options/manchesterwireless/mark.jorgensen%40sie > mens.com > > > You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: > > ManchesterWireless-request at lists.pointless.net > > with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the > quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. > > You must know your password to change your options (including changing > the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. 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There is also a button on > your options page that will email your current password to you. > > _______________________________________________ > ManchesterWireless mailing list > ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > From muchmorebeer at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 3 23:32:51 2007 From: muchmorebeer at yahoo.co.uk (simon roberts) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:32:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [manchesterwireless] Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless" mailing list In-Reply-To: <459C1B9D.8040409@spc.org> Message-ID: <477979.70945.qm@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> im more than happy to point out freebies i found this too http://www.connect2manchester.co.uk/ which seems to good to be true SX James Stevens wrote: ho ho ho love SANTA Jorgensen, Mark wrote: > I am having trouble connecting to any wireless networks, I live in the city > centre so I was wondering if you could shed any light or give any advise for > this? > > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: manchesterwireless-request at lists.pointless.net > [mailto:manchesterwireless-request at lists.pointless.net] > Sent: 03 January 2007 14:37 > To: Jorgensen, Mark > Subject: Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless" mailing list > > Welcome to the ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net mailing list! > Feel free to introduce yourself on the list; where you are based, how > you heard about the project, and if you plan to set up a node. > > If you have any questions that are unanswered on the website, list > members will be happy to answer them. > > To post to this list, send your email to: > > manchesterwireless at lists.pointless.net > > General information about the mailing list is at: > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > > If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to > or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your > subscription page at: > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/options/manchesterwireless/mark.jorgensen%40sie > mens.com > > > You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: > > ManchesterWireless-request at lists.pointless.net > > with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the > quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. > > You must know your password to change your options (including changing > the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. 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URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/attachments/20070103/bc450088/attachment.html From darren at sirdaz.com Thu Jan 4 02:08:09 2007 From: darren at sirdaz.com (Darren Scales) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 02:08:09 +0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless" mailing list In-Reply-To: <477979.70945.qm@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <459C1B9D.8040409@spc.org> <477979.70945.qm@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <59e45eee0701031808l2ce97994w1fc570cb64d5df06@mail.gmail.com> Yep that connect2manchester.co.uk will be a godsend!! Its currently being developed, so it's not available just yet. They had a meeting last month which I think ended in good and interesting ideas to bring it up to speed, so should be here any time soon!! Darren On 03/01/07, simon roberts wrote: > > im more than happy to point out freebies > i found this too > http://www.connect2manchester.co.uk/ > which seems to good to be true > > SX > > > *James Stevens * wrote: > > ho ho ho > > love SANTA > > Jorgensen, Mark wrote: > > I am having trouble connecting to any wireless networks, I live in the > city > > centre so I was wondering if you could shed any light or give any advise > for > > this? > > > > Thanks > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: manchesterwireless-request at lists.pointless.net > > [mailto:manchesterwireless-request at lists.pointless.net] > > Sent: 03 January 2007 14:37 > > To: Jorgensen, Mark > > Subject: Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless" mailing list > > > > Welcome to the ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net mailing list! > > Feel free to introduce yourself on the list; where you are based, how > > you heard about the project, and if you plan to set up a node. > > > > If you have any questions that are unanswered on the website, list > > members will be happy to answer them. > > > > To post to this list, send your email to: > > > > manchesterwireless at lists.pointless.net > > > > General information about the mailing list is at: > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > > > > If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to > > or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your > > subscription page at: > > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/options/manchesterwireless/mark.jorgensen%40sie > > mens.com > > > > > > You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: > > > > ManchesterWireless-request at lists.pointless.net > > > > with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the > > quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. > > > > You must know your password to change your options (including changing > > the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. 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Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > ManchesterWireless mailing list > ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/attachments/20070104/899d57da/attachment.html From muchmorebeer at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jan 4 07:15:07 2007 From: muchmorebeer at yahoo.co.uk (simon roberts) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 23:15:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [manchesterwireless] Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless" mailing list In-Reply-To: <59e45eee0701031808l2ce97994w1fc570cb64d5df06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <770790.9291.qm@web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> you seem well connected have you got shares? Cheers S Darren Scales wrote: Yep that connect2manchester.co.uk will be a godsend!! Its currently being developed, so it's not available just yet. They had a meeting last month which I think ended in good and interesting ideas to bring it up to speed, so should be here any time soon!! Darren On 03/01/07, simon roberts wrote: im more than happy to point out freebies i found this too http://www.connect2manchester.co.uk/ which seems to good to be true SX James Stevens < james at spc.org> wrote: ho ho ho love SANTA Jorgensen, Mark wrote: > I am having trouble connecting to any wireless networks, I live in the city > centre so I was wondering if you could shed any light or give any advise for > this? > > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: manchesterwireless-request at lists.pointless.net > [mailto:manchesterwireless-request at lists.pointless.net] > Sent: 03 January 2007 14:37 > To: Jorgensen, Mark > Subject: Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless" mailing list > > Welcome to the ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net mailing list! > Feel free to introduce yourself on the list; where you are based, how > you heard about the project, and if you plan to set up a node. > > If you have any questions that are unanswered on the website, list > members will be happy to answer them. > > To post to this list, send your email to: > > manchesterwireless at lists.pointless.net > > General information about the mailing list is at: > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > > If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to > or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your > subscription page at: > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/options/manchesterwireless/mark.jorgensen%40sie > mens.com > > > You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: > > ManchesterWireless-request at lists.pointless.net > > with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the > quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. > > You must know your password to change your options (including changing > the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. 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URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/attachments/20070103/54f67c64/attachment-0001.html From jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk Sun Jan 7 17:02:41 2007 From: jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk (jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:02:41 +0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] wifi AP's Message-ID: <9l92q2tltig992qp725r8q0ba7frrchi2j@4ax.com> I have just installed Wififofum from this site http://www.aspecto-software.com/rw/applications/wififofum/ It lets you collect GPS data about AP's onto an Ipaq PPC When you have your *.xml file that this program generates you can upload it here and view the data on google maps. I did a couple of files from Bolton to test it. http://www.toxictomato.co.uk/gmap/ From darren at sirdaz.com Mon Jan 8 15:14:16 2007 From: darren at sirdaz.com (Darren Scales) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:14:16 +0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless" mailing list In-Reply-To: <770790.9291.qm@web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <59e45eee0701031808l2ce97994w1fc570cb64d5df06@mail.gmail.com> <770790.9291.qm@web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <59e45eee0701080714p4fc741ew39a46a22c22c3287@mail.gmail.com> I worked with somebody from the chamber of enterprises, which seemed to be well up with the info. First heard about it from the Metro paper though. As for where its up to now, I have no idea. I cant seem to get any more info! It was/is a competition between a few different councils, all competing for government funding, up to ?3mil I think. A meeting was held last month, 15h Dec. Apparently a plan was made. What it is or what it consists of I haven't a clue. That's all the info I have been able to grab. If it doesn't work out, which I sure hope it does, I would love to see this project raising up. I've not been reading these posts long enough, but how far, or how big did this manage to get? Darren On 04/01/07, simon roberts wrote: > > you seem well connected > have you got shares? > > Cheers > > S > > *Darren Scales * wrote: > > Yep that connect2manchester.co.uk will be a godsend!! Its currently being > developed, so it's not available just yet. They had a meeting last month > which I think ended in good and interesting ideas to bring it up to speed, > so should be here any time soon!! > > Darren > > > On 03/01/07, simon roberts wrote: > > > > im more than happy to point out freebies > > i found this too > > http://www.connect2manchester.co.uk/ > > which seems to good to be true > > > > SX > > > > > > *James Stevens < james at spc.org>* wrote: > > > > ho ho ho > > > > love SANTA > > > > Jorgensen, Mark wrote: > > > I am having trouble connecting to any wireless networks, I live in the > > city > > > centre so I was wondering if you could shed any light or give any > > advise for > > > this? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: manchesterwireless-request at lists.pointless.net > > > [mailto:manchesterwireless-request at lists.pointless.net] > > > Sent: 03 January 2007 14:37 > > > To: Jorgensen, Mark > > > Subject: Welcome to the "ManchesterWireless" mailing list > > > > > > Welcome to the ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net mailing list! > > > Feel free to introduce yourself on the list; where you are based, how > > > you heard about the project, and if you plan to set up a node. > > > > > > If you have any questions that are unanswered on the website, list > > > members will be happy to answer them. > > > > > > To post to this list, send your email to: > > > > > > manchesterwireless at lists.pointless.net > > > > > > General information about the mailing list is at: > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > > > > > > If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to > > > or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your > > > subscription page at: > > > > > > > > > http://pointless.net/mailman/options/manchesterwireless/mark.jorgensen%40sie > > > > > mens.com > > > > > > > > > You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: > > > > > > ManchesterWireless-request at lists.pointless.net > > > > > > with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the > > > quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. > > > > > > You must know your password to change your options (including changing > > > > > the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. 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URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/attachments/20070108/aabd07c5/attachment.html From reuben.finch at btinternet.com Tue Jan 9 00:44:51 2007 From: reuben.finch at btinternet.com (Reuben Finch) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 00:44:51 -0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings Message-ID: Dear All, It is great to see some discussion again over the mailing list. Does this mean we are back on track with Manchester Wireless and we can start having meetings again? We have a lot of talented people within Manchester Wireless and I honestly feel if we have some good direction and purpose, a revival would be excellent. All too often, timing is quite important. Under certain circumstances, one can have excellent ideas, (futuristic) however I have found people are not exactly ready to take on new challenges as they are stuck in a comfort zone. People are used to wireless now and have bought into the idea. Therefore I feel a revival would make a great difference whereby people will buy into Manchester Wireless and projects we can realistically achieve I would welcome thoughts/ideas about having meetings again. Kind Regards, Reuben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/attachments/20070109/dee5ab36/attachment.html From darren at sirdaz.com Tue Jan 9 07:38:53 2007 From: darren at sirdaz.com (Darren Scales) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:38:53 +0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings In-Reply-To: <45a2e5c4.00e8d62d.34df.0127SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <45a2e5c4.00e8d62d.34df.0127SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <59e45eee0701082338wb55fe16gdf61fc5d1e463df3@mail.gmail.com> I'd agree that you have a good point on the timing, now would be a very good time since wireless is slowly becoming the norm these days. But as there may be a free city-wide wireless installation in the very near future provided by the council, wouldn't it make sense to just hold back and see if that is being rolled out? We wouldn't want to get all hyped up and rolling, only to be overtaken by this larger set up. Darren On 09/01/07, Reuben Finch wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > It is great to see some discussion again over the mailing list. Does this > mean we are back on track with Manchester Wireless and we can start having > meetings again? > > > > We have a lot of talented people within Manchester Wireless and I honestly > feel if we have some good direction and purpose, a revival would be > excellent. > > > > All too often, timing is quite important. Under certain circumstances, one > can have excellent ideas, (futuristic) however I have found people are not > exactly ready to take on new challenges as they are stuck in a comfort zone. > People are used to wireless now and have bought into the idea. > > > > Therefore I feel a revival would make a great difference whereby people > will buy into Manchester Wireless and projects we can realistically achieve > > > > I would welcome thoughts/ideas about having meetings again. > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Reuben > > _______________________________________________ > ManchesterWireless mailing list > ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/attachments/20070109/c150f3ee/attachment-0001.html From goot at the-crow.co.uk Tue Jan 9 08:58:41 2007 From: goot at the-crow.co.uk (Andy Gauton) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:58:41 -0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings References: <45a2e5c4.00e8d62d.34df.0127SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <59e45eee0701082338wb55fe16gdf61fc5d1e463df3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001501c733cc$5ce93200$4b7018ac@wla.int> If IT Week/Computer Weekly is anything to go by, the council wireless networks going in around the country are primarily for accessing local government information etc ie. paying council bills etc and for use by local goverment employees. It would be nice to see the private sector running a free Wireless service with internet access (just like in public libraries). However there appears to be some debate as to whether the public will be able to use it for internet activity. There are rumours they may run a paid for service for business users and therefore also allow the public to "pay as you go". I think the way for Manchester Wireless to go is to think outside the box (and I think Reuben is thinking the same?) Offering free/cheap internet isn't enough, the market is saturated with ISP's as it is. We would need to differentiate ourselves from the rest and offer other services. Offer email facilities, yes free internet would be nice (who pays for it?), NAS storage, web hosting. Local business activity in web portals etc. This could bring revenue in. It will need some serious thought and to get the old crowd back as well. If Harry, Darren, John et al feel that we have a new goal, and we get core team members regularly involved then I could be persuaded to become a regular again. We had problems last time with core team members attending, it needs a core team to manage the project. Ad hoc, as experienced last time was good to see new faces, but no action was taken. The website needs a complete re-write due to goals and objectives no longer the same. We had big ideas (Rochdale to Manchester wireless link?) if memory recalls. That would have been an achievement and a half, plus other local projects. But alas, they never got off the ground. I don't wish to be negative, but we have to be realistic. If it's going to work it needs you all and on a REGULAR (once a month/every other month basis where possible (yes, I understand work gets in the way). A good starting point would be to contact Harry and have a chat with him. Then contact the original members and ask them if they are still interested, plus any new people as there appears to be a number new people on here who I've not seen before (hi! *waves*) Draft a realistic goal and we're away, and count me in for a meeting :) Andy :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren Scales To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings I'd agree that you have a good point on the timing, now would be a very good time since wireless is slowly becoming the norm these days. But as there may be a free city-wide wireless installation in the very near future provided by the council, wouldn't it make sense to just hold back and see if that is being rolled out? We wouldn't want to get all hyped up and rolling, only to be overtaken by this larger set up. Darren On 09/01/07, Reuben Finch < reuben.finch at btinternet.com> wrote: Dear All, It is great to see some discussion again over the mailing list. Does this mean we are back on track with Manchester Wireless and we can start having meetings again? We have a lot of talented people within Manchester Wireless and I honestly feel if we have some good direction and purpose, a revival would be excellent. All too often, timing is quite important. Under certain circumstances, one can have excellent ideas, (futuristic) however I have found people are not exactly ready to take on new challenges as they are stuck in a comfort zone. People are used to wireless now and have bought into the idea. Therefore I feel a revival would make a great difference whereby people will buy into Manchester Wireless and projects we can realistically achieve I would welcome thoughts/ideas about having meetings again. 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URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/attachments/20070109/6b16c633/attachment.html From darren at sirdaz.com Tue Jan 9 09:18:27 2007 From: darren at sirdaz.com (Darren Scales) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:18:27 +0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings In-Reply-To: <001501c733cc$5ce93200$4b7018ac@wla.int> References: <45a2e5c4.00e8d62d.34df.0127SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <59e45eee0701082338wb55fe16gdf61fc5d1e463df3@mail.gmail.com> <001501c733cc$5ce93200$4b7018ac@wla.int> Message-ID: <59e45eee0701090118x30cbc1f7pb716987941f11ca2@mail.gmail.com> Forgive me if I seem to be flooding this list! I wasn't around when this list first started off, so what were the original goals? And how where they going to be met? If the council wireless project is only for government projects/information/etc, then we could beat them to it. If we do somehow manage to get free wireless out there, I would be wiling to set up a manchester only services domain. Say, each company within manchester can have there own "my-business.man" domain name. Then if it does prove popular, the council may want to join, fund, or something the like. This would help create the private and council link for everybody to enjoy and use. Meetings would have to be held regularly yes, as well as on a discussion board like this if we want the information out to the public. As Andy says, each core member will have to try and commit themselves somehow to make this work. But yes, I'm going on now. What were the original goals for this group? Darren On 09/01/07, Andy Gauton wrote: > > > If IT Week/Computer Weekly is anything to go by, the council wireless > networks going in around the country are primarily for accessing local > government information etc ie. paying council bills etc and for use by local > goverment employees. > > It would be nice to see the private sector running a free Wireless service > with internet access (just like in public libraries). However there appears > to be some debate as to whether the public will be able to use it for > internet activity. > > There are rumours they may run a paid for service for business users and > therefore also allow the public to "pay as you go". > > I think the way for Manchester Wireless to go is to think outside the box > (and I think Reuben is thinking the same?) Offering free/cheap internet > isn't enough, the market is saturated with ISP's as it is. We would need to > differentiate ourselves from the rest and offer other services. Offer email > facilities, yes free internet would be nice (who pays for it?), NAS storage, > web hosting. Local business activity in web portals etc. This could bring > revenue in. > > It will need some serious thought and to get the old crowd back as well. > If Harry, Darren, John et al feel that we have a new goal, and we get core > team members regularly involved then I could be persuaded to become a > regular again. We had problems last time with core team members attending, > it needs a core team to manage the project. Ad hoc, as experienced last time > was good to see new faces, but no action was taken. > > The website needs a complete re-write due to goals and objectives no > longer the same. > > We had big ideas (Rochdale to Manchester wireless link?) if memory > recalls. That would have been an achievement and a half, plus other local > projects. But alas, they never got off the ground. > > I don't wish to be negative, but we have to be realistic. If it's going to > work it needs you all and on a REGULAR (once a month/every other month basis > where possible (yes, I understand work gets in the way). > > A good starting point would be to contact Harry and have a chat with him. > Then contact the original members and ask them if they are still interested, > plus any new people as there appears to be a number new people on here who > I've not seen before (hi! *waves*) > > Draft a realistic goal and we're away, and count me in for a meeting :) > > Andy :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Darren Scales > *To:* Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:38 AM > *Subject:* Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings > > I'd agree that you have a good point on the timing, now would be a very > good time since wireless is slowly becoming the norm these days. But as > there may be a free city-wide wireless installation in the very near future > provided by the council, wouldn't it make sense to just hold back and see if > that is being rolled out? > We wouldn't want to get all hyped up and rolling, only to be overtaken by > this larger set up. > > Darren > > > On 09/01/07, Reuben Finch < reuben.finch at btinternet.com> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > It is great to see some discussion again over the mailing list. Does > > this mean we are back on track with Manchester Wireless and we can start > > having meetings again? > > > > > > > > We have a lot of talented people within Manchester Wireless and I > > honestly feel if we have some good direction and purpose, a revival would be > > excellent. > > > > > > > > All too often, timing is quite important. Under certain circumstances, > > one can have excellent ideas, (futuristic) however I have found people are > > not exactly ready to take on new challenges as they are stuck in a comfort > > zone. People are used to wireless now and have bought into the idea. > > > > > > > > Therefore I feel a revival would make a great difference whereby people > > will buy into Manchester Wireless and projects we can realistically achieve > > > > > > > > I would welcome thoughts/ideas about having meetings again. > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > Reuben > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ManchesterWireless mailing list > > ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > ManchesterWireless mailing list > ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > > > _______________________________________________ > ManchesterWireless mailing list > ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/attachments/20070109/13b6d7d0/attachment-0001.html From jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk Tue Jan 9 09:50:32 2007 From: jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk (jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 09:50:32 +0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings In-Reply-To: <59e45eee0701090118x30cbc1f7pb716987941f11ca2@mail.gmail.com> References: <45a2e5c4.00e8d62d.34df.0127SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <59e45eee0701082338wb55fe16gdf61fc5d1e463df3@mail.gmail.com> <001501c733cc$5ce93200$4b7018ac@wla.int> <59e45eee0701090118x30cbc1f7pb716987941f11ca2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8to6q25t10iddha7r57c78ds1hqp4l4blg@4ax.com> I think if it stands half a chance of resurrection we would need to make sure that we don't have a reoccurrence of the that's too hard, too difficult, unsafe, illegal, can't do it brigade and of course any would be premardonnas and ballet dancers in short skirts. John. On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:18:27 +0000, you wrote: >Forgive me if I seem to be flooding this list! >I wasn't around when this list first started off, so what were the original >goals? And how where they going to be met? > >If the council wireless project is only for government >projects/information/etc, then we could beat them to it. If we do somehow >manage to get free wireless out there, I would be wiling to set up a >manchester only services domain. Say, each company within manchester can >have there own "my-business.man" domain name. Then if it does prove popular, >the council may want to join, fund, or something the like. This would help >create the private and council link for everybody to enjoy and use. > >Meetings would have to be held regularly yes, as well as on a discussion >board like this if we want the information out to the public. As Andy says, >each core member will have to try and commit themselves somehow to make this >work. > >But yes, I'm going on now. What were the original goals for this group? > >Darren > > >On 09/01/07, Andy Gauton wrote: >> >> >> If IT Week/Computer Weekly is anything to go by, the council wireless >> networks going in around the country are primarily for accessing local >> government information etc ie. paying council bills etc and for use by local >> goverment employees. >> >> It would be nice to see the private sector running a free Wireless service >> with internet access (just like in public libraries). However there appears >> to be some debate as to whether the public will be able to use it for >> internet activity. >> >> There are rumours they may run a paid for service for business users and >> therefore also allow the public to "pay as you go". >> >> I think the way for Manchester Wireless to go is to think outside the box >> (and I think Reuben is thinking the same?) Offering free/cheap internet >> isn't enough, the market is saturated with ISP's as it is. We would need to >> differentiate ourselves from the rest and offer other services. Offer email >> facilities, yes free internet would be nice (who pays for it?), NAS storage, >> web hosting. Local business activity in web portals etc. This could bring >> revenue in. >> >> It will need some serious thought and to get the old crowd back as well. >> If Harry, Darren, John et al feel that we have a new goal, and we get core >> team members regularly involved then I could be persuaded to become a >> regular again. We had problems last time with core team members attending, >> it needs a core team to manage the project. Ad hoc, as experienced last time >> was good to see new faces, but no action was taken. >> >> The website needs a complete re-write due to goals and objectives no >> longer the same. >> >> We had big ideas (Rochdale to Manchester wireless link?) if memory >> recalls. That would have been an achievement and a half, plus other local >> projects. But alas, they never got off the ground. >> >> I don't wish to be negative, but we have to be realistic. If it's going to >> work it needs you all and on a REGULAR (once a month/every other month basis >> where possible (yes, I understand work gets in the way). >> >> A good starting point would be to contact Harry and have a chat with him. >> Then contact the original members and ask them if they are still interested, >> plus any new people as there appears to be a number new people on here who >> I've not seen before (hi! *waves*) >> >> Draft a realistic goal and we're away, and count me in for a meeting :) >> >> Andy :) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Darren Scales >> *To:* Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:38 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings >> >> I'd agree that you have a good point on the timing, now would be a very >> good time since wireless is slowly becoming the norm these days. But as >> there may be a free city-wide wireless installation in the very near future >> provided by the council, wouldn't it make sense to just hold back and see if >> that is being rolled out? >> We wouldn't want to get all hyped up and rolling, only to be overtaken by >> this larger set up. >> >> Darren >> >> >> On 09/01/07, Reuben Finch < reuben.finch at btinternet.com> wrote: >> > >> > Dear All, >> > >> > >> > >> > It is great to see some discussion again over the mailing list. Does >> > this mean we are back on track with Manchester Wireless and we can start >> > having meetings again? >> > >> > >> > >> > We have a lot of talented people within Manchester Wireless and I >> > honestly feel if we have some good direction and purpose, a revival would be >> > excellent. >> > >> > >> > >> > All too often, timing is quite important. Under certain circumstances, >> > one can have excellent ideas, (futuristic) however I have found people are >> > not exactly ready to take on new challenges as they are stuck in a comfort >> > zone. People are used to wireless now and have bought into the idea. >> > >> > >> > >> > Therefore I feel a revival would make a great difference whereby people >> > will buy into Manchester Wireless and projects we can realistically achieve >> > >> > >> > >> > I would welcome thoughts/ideas about having meetings again. >> > >> > >> > >> > Kind Regards, >> > >> > >> > >> > Reuben >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > ManchesterWireless mailing list >> > ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net >> > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ManchesterWireless mailing list >> ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ManchesterWireless mailing list >> ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless >> >> >> > > > >__________ NOD32 1964 (20070109) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From goot at the-crow.co.uk Tue Jan 9 09:52:03 2007 From: goot at the-crow.co.uk (Andy Gauton) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:52:03 -0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings References: <45a2e5c4.00e8d62d.34df.0127SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com><59e45eee0701082338wb55fe16gdf61fc5d1e463df3@mail.gmail.com><001501c733cc$5ce93200$4b7018ac@wla.int> <59e45eee0701090118x30cbc1f7pb716987941f11ca2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003e01c733d3$d10d6320$4b7018ac@wla.int> Flood as much as you like. The list hasn't seen this much activity in a long time!! It's good to see :) Have a look on the main web page. http://www.manchesterwireless.net/ The initial goal and vision was from Rob Kyle (which unfortunately didn't move with the times) was to offer free internet access to one and all in Manchester city centre. This was at times when extended reach ADSL was only talk. When we started doing something, extended reach ADSL was available to almost everyone and then, well, the rest is history (with not a lot to show for it I'm afraid). Check out the mailing list archives. http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/ A lot of reading, but will give you an idea who and what everyone was, and why a guy from Warrington (me) set up Warrington Wireless and core team member of Manchester Wireless. Andy :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren Scales To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings Forgive me if I seem to be flooding this list! I wasn't around when this list first started off, so what were the original goals? And how where they going to be met? If the council wireless project is only for government projects/information/etc, then we could beat them to it. If we do somehow manage to get free wireless out there, I would be wiling to set up a manchester only services domain. Say, each company within manchester can have there own " my-business.man" domain name. Then if it does prove popular, the council may want to join, fund, or something the like. This would help create the private and council link for everybody to enjoy and use. Meetings would have to be held regularly yes, as well as on a discussion board like this if we want the information out to the public. As Andy says, each core member will have to try and commit themselves somehow to make this work. But yes, I'm going on now. What were the original goals for this group? Darren On 09/01/07, Andy Gauton < goot at the-crow.co.uk> wrote: If IT Week/Computer Weekly is anything to go by, the council wireless networks going in around the country are primarily for accessing local government information etc ie. paying council bills etc and for use by local goverment employees. It would be nice to see the private sector running a free Wireless service with internet access (just like in public libraries). However there appears to be some debate as to whether the public will be able to use it for internet activity. There are rumours they may run a paid for service for business users and therefore also allow the public to "pay as you go". I think the way for Manchester Wireless to go is to think outside the box (and I think Reuben is thinking the same?) Offering free/cheap internet isn't enough, the market is saturated with ISP's as it is. We would need to differentiate ourselves from the rest and offer other services. Offer email facilities, yes free internet would be nice (who pays for it?), NAS storage, web hosting. Local business activity in web portals etc. This could bring revenue in. It will need some serious thought and to get the old crowd back as well. If Harry, Darren, John et al feel that we have a new goal, and we get core team members regularly involved then I could be persuaded to become a regular again. We had problems last time with core team members attending, it needs a core team to manage the project. Ad hoc, as experienced last time was good to see new faces, but no action was taken. The website needs a complete re-write due to goals and objectives no longer the same. We had big ideas (Rochdale to Manchester wireless link?) if memory recalls. That would have been an achievement and a half, plus other local projects. But alas, they never got off the ground. I don't wish to be negative, but we have to be realistic. If it's going to work it needs you all and on a REGULAR (once a month/every other month basis where possible (yes, I understand work gets in the way). A good starting point would be to contact Harry and have a chat with him. Then contact the original members and ask them if they are still interested, plus any new people as there appears to be a number new people on here who I've not seen before (hi! *waves*) Draft a realistic goal and we're away, and count me in for a meeting :) Andy :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren Scales To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings I'd agree that you have a good point on the timing, now would be a very good time since wireless is slowly becoming the norm these days. But as there may be a free city-wide wireless installation in the very near future provided by the council, wouldn't it make sense to just hold back and see if that is being rolled out? We wouldn't want to get all hyped up and rolling, only to be overtaken by this larger set up. Darren On 09/01/07, Reuben Finch < reuben.finch at btinternet.com> wrote: Dear All, It is great to see some discussion again over the mailing list. Does this mean we are back on track with Manchester Wireless and we can start having meetings again? We have a lot of talented people within Manchester Wireless and I honestly feel if we have some good direction and purpose, a revival would be excellent. All too often, timing is quite important. Under certain circumstances, one can have excellent ideas, (futuristic) however I have found people are not exactly ready to take on new challenges as they are stuck in a comfort zone. People are used to wireless now and have bought into the idea. Therefore I feel a revival would make a great difference whereby people will buy into Manchester Wireless and projects we can realistically achieve I would welcome thoughts/ideas about having meetings again. 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URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/attachments/20070109/0c33fcb6/attachment-0001.html From darren at sirdaz.com Tue Jan 9 13:35:16 2007 From: darren at sirdaz.com (Darren Scales) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:35:16 +0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings In-Reply-To: <003e01c733d3$d10d6320$4b7018ac@wla.int> References: <45a2e5c4.00e8d62d.34df.0127SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <59e45eee0701082338wb55fe16gdf61fc5d1e463df3@mail.gmail.com> <001501c733cc$5ce93200$4b7018ac@wla.int> <59e45eee0701090118x30cbc1f7pb716987941f11ca2@mail.gmail.com> <003e01c733d3$d10d6320$4b7018ac@wla.int> Message-ID: <59e45eee0701090535v211a76a1uba28d3f78f24d5bf@mail.gmail.com> OK, after reading most of the past posts, I got somewhat confused. Some agreed that it was to provide internet, some that it was just a link for sociable reasons. There was a lot of talk about building links between places, but nothing happened. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but its like there were never any definite aims for this group! My first impression of this group was to provide internet via wi-fi, over the Manchester area. Sharing the internet connections of each node (how, I'm not sure. Some form of load balancing to share out the connections?) If this is the case, then after we have at least a few connections, then we could build up on a Manchester only Intranet or the like. If this isn't the case, then what is the case? Darren -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/attachments/20070109/1a3f5a66/attachment.html From goot at the-crow.co.uk Tue Jan 9 13:55:41 2007 From: goot at the-crow.co.uk (Andy Gauton) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:55:41 -0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings References: <45a2e5c4.00e8d62d.34df.0127SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com><59e45eee0701082338wb55fe16gdf61fc5d1e463df3@mail.gmail.com><001501c733cc$5ce93200$4b7018ac@wla.int><59e45eee0701090118x30cbc1f7pb716987941f11ca2@mail.gmail.com><003e01c733d3$d10d6320$4b7018ac@wla.int> <59e45eee0701090535v211a76a1uba28d3f78f24d5bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006901c733f5$da2c5110$4b7018ac@wla.int> > From: Darren Scales > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but its like there were never > any definite aims for this group! You are quite correct! Hence John's (jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk) last post. Unfortunately, there was a lot of talk, but not a lot of action. Some of the work Darren and Harry were undertaking were indevelopment with varying results. These were personal projects and not necessarily part of the what the group wanted to achieve. Warrington Wireless was a success and still is (but again a personal project). I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is still running on a daily basis? Warrington Wireless was my project but wasn't to offer free net access, but instead share the cost. The project is actively running as a private network. > If this isn't the case, then what is the case? There is no longer a case and no one seems to know what Manchester Wireless is all about now? Hence, if this gets back into operation, the entire group, projects and aims need a radical rewrite. HARRY? DARREN STORER? GED et al? You lot still around? Andy :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/attachments/20070109/0bf4b9a4/attachment.html From M.B.Gaved at open.ac.uk Tue Jan 9 14:15:11 2007 From: M.B.Gaved at open.ac.uk (M.B.Gaved) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:15:11 -0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings Message-ID: go for it Manchester folks! >I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is still running on a daily basis? Seems like James and the guys are doing ok with Boundless - http://boundless.coop/ How about Redbricks and Yellowbricks? how are they doing these days? I see 3-C just won a grant for training over at Hebden Bridge so I guess they are ticking along: http://www.3-c.coop/news/3-c-news21.html Community Broadband Network has had a fair bit of traffic on it : http://www.broadband-uk.coop/ - a variety of groups in there from small businesses to pressure groups to folk closer to Manchester Wireless in nature but they've always been friendly and helpful when I've chatted to them. vortex is still running East End Net: http://www.free2air.org/section/eastendnet Athens Wireless Network: http://www.athenswireless.net/ Guada Wireless in Spain: http://guadawireless.net/ - didn't one of the guys from there come over to Manchester Wireless at some point? a few for starters, though maybe I am not sure by your definition, go for it! all the best Mark I help on Digcoop - a shared community network connecting 29 properties in a housing association in London, via wires and wireless, offering shared low cost internet access and an intranet, started 2001 and we're still ticking along :-) -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-bounces+m.b.gaved=open.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of Andy Gauton Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 1:55 PM To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings > From: Darren Scales > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but its like there were never > any definite aims for this group! You are quite correct! Hence John's (jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk) last post. Unfortunately, there was a lot of talk, but not a lot of action. Some of the work Darren and Harry were undertaking were indevelopment with varying results. These were personal projects and not necessarily part of the what the group wanted to achieve. Warrington Wireless was a success and still is (but again a personal project). I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is still running on a daily basis? Warrington Wireless was my project but wasn't to offer free net access, but instead share the cost. The project is actively running as a private network. > If this isn't the case, then what is the case? There is no longer a case and no one seems to know what Manchester Wireless is all about now? Hence, if this gets back into operation, the entire group, projects and aims need a radical rewrite. HARRY? DARREN STORER? GED et al? You lot still around? Andy :) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4250 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/attachments/20070109/b6f51e52/attachment.bin From goot at the-crow.co.uk Tue Jan 9 14:30:54 2007 From: goot at the-crow.co.uk (Andy Gauton) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:30:54 -0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings References: Message-ID: <007e01c733fa$c5d9e2e0$4b7018ac@wla.int> Sorry, meant to say projects that Manchester Wireless members have been invloved in and got up and running :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.B.Gaved" To: "Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings go for it Manchester folks! >I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is still >running on a daily basis? Seems like James and the guys are doing ok with Boundless - http://boundless.coop/ How about Redbricks and Yellowbricks? how are they doing these days? I see 3-C just won a grant for training over at Hebden Bridge so I guess they are ticking along: http://www.3-c.coop/news/3-c-news21.html Community Broadband Network has had a fair bit of traffic on it : http://www.broadband-uk.coop/ - a variety of groups in there from small businesses to pressure groups to folk closer to Manchester Wireless in nature but they've always been friendly and helpful when I've chatted to them. vortex is still running East End Net: http://www.free2air.org/section/eastendnet Athens Wireless Network: http://www.athenswireless.net/ Guada Wireless in Spain: http://guadawireless.net/ - didn't one of the guys from there come over to Manchester Wireless at some point? a few for starters, though maybe I am not sure by your definition, go for it! all the best Mark I help on Digcoop - a shared community network connecting 29 properties in a housing association in London, via wires and wireless, offering shared low cost internet access and an intranet, started 2001 and we're still ticking along :-) -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-bounces+m.b.gaved=open.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of Andy Gauton Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 1:55 PM To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings > From: Darren Scales > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but its like there were never > any definite aims for this group! You are quite correct! Hence John's (jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk) last post. Unfortunately, there was a lot of talk, but not a lot of action. Some of the work Darren and Harry were undertaking were indevelopment with varying results. These were personal projects and not necessarily part of the what the group wanted to achieve. Warrington Wireless was a success and still is (but again a personal project). I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is still running on a daily basis? Warrington Wireless was my project but wasn't to offer free net access, but instead share the cost. The project is actively running as a private network. > If this isn't the case, then what is the case? There is no longer a case and no one seems to know what Manchester Wireless is all about now? Hence, if this gets back into operation, the entire group, projects and aims need a radical rewrite. HARRY? DARREN STORER? GED et al? You lot still around? Andy :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > ManchesterWireless mailing list > ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > From M.B.Gaved at open.ac.uk Tue Jan 9 14:56:55 2007 From: M.B.Gaved at open.ac.uk (M.B.Gaved) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:56:55 -0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings Message-ID: no worries! Thought I'd just chip in with some links to groups I've come across that seem to be ticking along at the moment. Do you know if the Redbricks and Yellowbricks guys made a wireless link between their groups? When I came up to a Manchester Wireless meeting a couple of years ago this was being talked about, did anything come of it? I was under the impression that MW was going to help setting that up. cheers, good luck with it. Mark -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-bounces+m.b.gaved=open.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of Andy Gauton Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 2:30 PM To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings Sorry, meant to say projects that Manchester Wireless members have been invloved in and got up and running :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.B.Gaved" To: "Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings go for it Manchester folks! >I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is still >running on a daily basis? Seems like James and the guys are doing ok with Boundless - http://boundless.coop/ How about Redbricks and Yellowbricks? how are they doing these days? I see 3-C just won a grant for training over at Hebden Bridge so I guess they are ticking along: http://www.3-c.coop/news/3-c-news21.html Community Broadband Network has had a fair bit of traffic on it : http://www.broadband-uk.coop/ - a variety of groups in there from small businesses to pressure groups to folk closer to Manchester Wireless in nature but they've always been friendly and helpful when I've chatted to them. vortex is still running East End Net: http://www.free2air.org/section/eastendnet Athens Wireless Network: http://www.athenswireless.net/ Guada Wireless in Spain: http://guadawireless.net/ - didn't one of the guys from there come over to Manchester Wireless at some point? a few for starters, though maybe I am not sure by your definition, go for it! all the best Mark I help on Digcoop - a shared community network connecting 29 properties in a housing association in London, via wires and wireless, offering shared low cost internet access and an intranet, started 2001 and we're still ticking along :-) -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-bounces+m.b.gaved=open.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of Andy Gauton Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 1:55 PM To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings > From: Darren Scales > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but its like there were never > any definite aims for this group! You are quite correct! Hence John's (jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk) last post. Unfortunately, there was a lot of talk, but not a lot of action. Some of the work Darren and Harry were undertaking were indevelopment with varying results. These were personal projects and not necessarily part of the what the group wanted to achieve. Warrington Wireless was a success and still is (but again a personal project). I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is still running on a daily basis? Warrington Wireless was my project but wasn't to offer free net access, but instead share the cost. The project is actively running as a private network. > If this isn't the case, then what is the case? There is no longer a case and no one seems to know what Manchester Wireless is all about now? Hence, if this gets back into operation, the entire group, projects and aims need a radical rewrite. HARRY? DARREN STORER? GED et al? You lot still around? Andy :) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4738 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/attachments/20070109/48275432/attachment-0001.bin From grahamnorton at yahoo.com Tue Jan 9 17:34:23 2007 From: grahamnorton at yahoo.com (Graham Norton) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:34:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [manchesterwireless] ManchesterWireless Digest, Vol 35, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <501374.4921.qm@web38809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Not heard for a long time let me know if there is a meet PIPEX is supposed to be WIMAX enabling Manchester. Also Manchester City Council are trying to raise ?3million for broadband across Mancheaster somewhat similar to Eastserve but for the whole of Manchester My mail graham.norton at speedwave.co.uk --- manchesterwireless-request at lists.pointless.net wrote: > Send ManchesterWireless mailing list submissions to > manchesterwireless at lists.pointless.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > manchesterwireless-request at lists.pointless.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > manchesterwireless-owner at lists.pointless.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ManchesterWireless digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Manchester Wireless Meetings (Darren > Scales) > 2. Re: Manchester Wireless Meetings (Andy Gauton) > 3. Re: Manchester Wireless Meetings (M.B.Gaved) > 4. Re: Manchester Wireless Meetings (Andy Gauton) > 5. Re: Manchester Wireless Meetings (M.B.Gaved) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:35:16 +0000 > From: "Darren Scales" > Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester > Wireless Meetings > To: "Manchester's Wireless Community Network > discussion list" > > Message-ID: > > <59e45eee0701090535v211a76a1uba28d3f78f24d5bf at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > OK, after reading most of the past posts, I got > somewhat confused. Some > agreed that it was to provide internet, some that it > was just a link for > sociable reasons. There was a lot of talk about > building links between > places, but nothing happened. Forgive me if I'm > wrong, but its like there > were never any definite aims for this group! > > My first impression of this group was to provide > internet via wi-fi, over > the Manchester area. Sharing the internet > connections of each node (how, I'm > not sure. Some form of load balancing to share out > the connections?) > If this is the case, then after we have at least a > few connections, then we > could build up on a Manchester only Intranet or the > like. > > If this isn't the case, then what is the case? > > Darren > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/attachments/20070109/1a3f5a66/attachment-0001.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:55:41 -0000 > From: "Andy Gauton" > Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester > Wireless Meetings > To: "Manchester's Wireless Community Network > discussion list" > > Message-ID: <006901c733f5$da2c5110$4b7018ac at wla.int> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > From: Darren Scales > > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but its like there were > never > > any definite aims for this group! > > You are quite correct! > Hence John's (jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk) last post. > Unfortunately, there was a lot of talk, but not a > lot of action. > Some of the work Darren and Harry were undertaking > were indevelopment with varying results. These were > personal projects and not necessarily part of the > what the group wanted to achieve. > > Warrington Wireless was a success and still is (but > again a personal project). I am not aware of any > other project that started, finished and is still > running on a daily basis? Warrington Wireless was my > project but wasn't to offer free net access, but > instead share the cost. The project is actively > running as a private network. > > > If this isn't the case, then what is the case? > > There is no longer a case and no one seems to know > what Manchester Wireless is all about now? Hence, if > this gets back into operation, the entire group, > projects and aims need a radical rewrite. > > HARRY? DARREN STORER? GED et al? You lot still > around? > > Andy :) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/attachments/20070109/0bf4b9a4/attachment-0001.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:15:11 -0000 > From: "M.B.Gaved" > Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester > Wireless Meetings > To: "Manchester's Wireless Community Network > discussion list" > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > go for it Manchester folks! > > >I am not aware of any other project that started, > finished and is still running on a daily basis? > > Seems like James and the guys are doing ok with > Boundless - http://boundless.coop/ > > How about Redbricks and Yellowbricks? how are they > doing these days? > > I see 3-C just won a grant for training over at > Hebden Bridge so I guess they are ticking along: > http://www.3-c.coop/news/3-c-news21.html > > Community Broadband Network has had a fair bit of > traffic on it : http://www.broadband-uk.coop/ > - a variety of groups in there from small businesses > to pressure groups to folk closer to Manchester > Wireless in nature but they've always been friendly > and helpful when I've chatted to them. > > vortex is still running East End Net: > http://www.free2air.org/section/eastendnet > > Athens Wireless Network: > http://www.athenswireless.net/ > > Guada Wireless in Spain: http://guadawireless.net/ - > didn't one of the guys from there come over to > Manchester Wireless at some point? > > a few for starters, though maybe I am not sure by > your definition, go for it! > > all the best > Mark > > I help on Digcoop - a shared community network > connecting 29 properties in a housing association in > London, via wires and wireless, offering shared low > cost internet access and an intranet, started 2001 > and we're still ticking along :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > manchesterwireless-bounces+m.b.gaved=open.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net > on behalf of Andy Gauton > Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 1:55 PM > To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network > discussion list > Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester > Wireless Meetings > > > From: Darren Scales > > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but its like there were > never > > any definite aims for this group! > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From muchmorebeer at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jan 9 20:35:07 2007 From: muchmorebeer at yahoo.co.uk (simon roberts) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:35:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <99205.78602.qm@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> also www.connect2manchester.co.uk seem to be getting there SX "M.B.Gaved" wrote: go for it Manchester folks! >I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is still running on a daily basis? Seems like James and the guys are doing ok with Boundless - http://boundless.coop/ How about Redbricks and Yellowbricks? how are they doing these days? I see 3-C just won a grant for training over at Hebden Bridge so I guess they are ticking along: http://www.3-c.coop/news/3-c-news21.html Community Broadband Network has had a fair bit of traffic on it : http://www.broadband-uk.coop/ - a variety of groups in there from small businesses to pressure groups to folk closer to Manchester Wireless in nature but they've always been friendly and helpful when I've chatted to them. vortex is still running East End Net: http://www.free2air.org/section/eastendnet Athens Wireless Network: http://www.athenswireless.net/ Guada Wireless in Spain: http://guadawireless.net/ - didn't one of the guys from there come over to Manchester Wireless at some point? a few for starters, though maybe I am not sure by your definition, go for it! all the best Mark I help on Digcoop - a shared community network connecting 29 properties in a housing association in London, via wires and wireless, offering shared low cost internet access and an intranet, started 2001 and we're still ticking along :-) -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-bounces+m.b.gaved=open.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of Andy Gauton Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 1:55 PM To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings > From: Darren Scales > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but its like there were never > any definite aims for this group! You are quite correct! Hence John's (jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk) last post. Unfortunately, there was a lot of talk, but not a lot of action. Some of the work Darren and Harry were undertaking were indevelopment with varying results. These were personal projects and not necessarily part of the what the group wanted to achieve. Warrington Wireless was a success and still is (but again a personal project). I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is still running on a daily basis? Warrington Wireless was my project but wasn't to offer free net access, but instead share the cost. The project is actively running as a private network. > If this isn't the case, then what is the case? There is no longer a case and no one seems to know what Manchester Wireless is all about now? Hence, if this gets back into operation, the entire group, projects and aims need a radical rewrite. HARRY? DARREN STORER? GED et al? You lot still around? Andy :) _______________________________________________ ManchesterWireless mailing list ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/attachments/20070109/b998c395/attachment.html From George.Baker at oldham.ac.uk Tue Jan 9 20:54:28 2007 From: George.Baker at oldham.ac.uk (Baker, George) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:54:28 -0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings References: <99205.78602.qm@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <33816A2BC890764BAFE5F471DF4818E2042043@OC-STAFFMAIL1.oldham.ac.uk> Hi lets plan a meeting Place 3 Arrows ? Day Thursday ? Date ? ? Anyone up for it? George -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-bounces+george.baker=oldham.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of simon roberts Sent: Tue 09/01/2007 20:35 To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings also www.connect2manchester.co.uk seem to be getting there SX "M.B.Gaved" wrote: go for it Manchester folks! >I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is still running on a daily basis? Seems like James and the guys are doing ok with Boundless - http://boundless.coop/ How about Redbricks and Yellowbricks? how are they doing these days? I see 3-C just won a grant for training over at Hebden Bridge so I guess they are ticking along: http://www.3-c.coop/news/3-c-news21.html Community Broadband Network has had a fair bit of traffic on it : http://www.broadband-uk.coop/ - a variety of groups in there from small businesses to pressure groups to folk closer to Manchester Wireless in nature but they've always been friendly and helpful when I've chatted to them. vortex is still running East End Net: http://www.free2air.org/section/eastendnet Athens Wireless Network: http://www.athenswireless.net/ Guada Wireless in Spain: http://guadawireless.net/ - didn't one of the guys from there come over to Manchester Wireless at some point? a few for starters, though maybe I am not sure by your definition, go for it! all the best Mark I help on Digcoop - a shared community network connecting 29 properties in a housing association in London, via wires and wireless, offering shared low cost internet access and an intranet, started 2001 and we're still ticking along :-) -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-bounces+m.b.gaved=open.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of Andy Gauton Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 1:55 PM To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings > From: Darren Scales > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but its like there were never > any definite aims for this group! You are quite correct! Hence John's (jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk) last post. Unfortunately, there was a lot of talk, but not a lot of action. Some of the work Darren and Harry were undertaking were indevelopment with varying results. These were personal projects and not necessarily part of the what the group wanted to achieve. Warrington Wireless was a success and still is (but again a personal project). I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is still running on a daily basis? Warrington Wireless was my project but wasn't to offer free net access, but instead share the cost. The project is actively running as a private network. > If this isn't the case, then what is the case? There is no longer a case and no one seems to know what Manchester Wireless is all about now? Hence, if this gets back into operation, the entire group, projects and aims need a radical rewrite. HARRY? DARREN STORER? GED et al? You lot still around? 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George -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-bounces+george.baker=oldham.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of simon roberts Sent: Tue 09/01/2007 20:35 To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings also www.connect2manchester.co.uk seem to be getting there SX "M.B.Gaved" wrote: go for it Manchester folks! >I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is still running on a daily basis? Seems like James and the guys are doing ok with Boundless - http://boundless.coop/ How about Redbricks and Yellowbricks? how are they doing these days? I see 3-C just won a grant for training over at Hebden Bridge so I guess they are ticking along: http://www.3-c.coop/news/3-c-news21.html Community Broadband Network has had a fair bit of traffic on it : http://www.broadband-uk.coop/ - a variety of groups in there from small businesses to pressure groups to folk closer to Manchester Wireless in nature but they've always been friendly and helpful when I've chatted to them. vortex is still running East End Net: http://www.free2air.org/section/eastendnet Athens Wireless Network: http://www.athenswireless.net/ Guada Wireless in Spain: http://guadawireless.net/ - didn't one of the guys from there come over to Manchester Wireless at some point? a few for starters, though maybe I am not sure by your definition, go for it! all the best Mark I help on Digcoop - a shared community network connecting 29 properties in a housing association in London, via wires and wireless, offering shared low cost internet access and an intranet, started 2001 and we're still ticking along :-) -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-bounces+m.b.gaved=open.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of Andy Gauton Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 1:55 PM To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings > From: Darren Scales > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but its like there were never > any definite aims for this group! You are quite correct! Hence John's (jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk) last post. Unfortunately, there was a lot of talk, but not a lot of action. Some of the work Darren and Harry were undertaking were indevelopment with varying results. These were personal projects and not necessarily part of the what the group wanted to achieve. Warrington Wireless was a success and still is (but again a personal project). I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is still running on a daily basis? Warrington Wireless was my project but wasn't to offer free net access, but instead share the cost. The project is actively running as a private network. > If this isn't the case, then what is the case? There is no longer a case and no one seems to know what Manchester Wireless is all about now? Hence, if this gets back into operation, the entire group, projects and aims need a radical rewrite. HARRY? DARREN STORER? GED et al? You lot still around? 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URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/attachments/20070109/c09083b7/attachment-0001.html From jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk Tue Jan 9 21:36:25 2007 From: jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk (jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:36:25 +0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings In-Reply-To: <33816A2BC890764BAFE5F471DF4818E2042043@OC-STAFFMAIL1.oldham.ac.uk> References: <99205.78602.qm@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <33816A2BC890764BAFE5F471DF4818E2042043@OC-STAFFMAIL1.oldham.ac.uk> Message-ID: George, You made me giggle to myself,,, hhmmm is that a bad sign,,, Question,, would the proposed meeting be for the purpose of planning some definitive action or is it just a meeting to have a friendly drink together. either way I think I would come but I just wanted to have some expectations one way or the other cos in the past poor old Harry just paid out for beer and food and I always felt a bit guilty about that. Harry you're a gentleman. John. On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:54:28 -0000, you wrote: >Hi >lets plan a meeting > >Place 3 Arrows ? > >Day Thursday ? > >Date ? ? > >Anyone up for it? > >George > > >-----Original Message----- >From: manchesterwireless-bounces+george.baker=oldham.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of simon roberts >Sent: Tue 09/01/2007 20:35 >To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list >Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings > >also www.connect2manchester.co.uk >seem to be getting there > >SX >"M.B.Gaved" wrote: > go for it Manchester folks! > >>I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is still running on a daily basis? > >Seems like James and the guys are doing ok with Boundless - http://boundless.coop/ > >How about Redbricks and Yellowbricks? how are they doing these days? > >I see 3-C just won a grant for training over at Hebden Bridge so I guess they are ticking along: http://www.3-c.coop/news/3-c-news21.html > >Community Broadband Network has had a fair bit of traffic on it : http://www.broadband-uk.coop/ >- a variety of groups in there from small businesses to pressure groups to folk closer to Manchester Wireless in nature but they've always been friendly and helpful when I've chatted to them. > >vortex is still running East End Net: http://www.free2air.org/section/eastendnet > >Athens Wireless Network: http://www.athenswireless.net/ > >Guada Wireless in Spain: http://guadawireless.net/ - didn't one of the guys from there come over to Manchester Wireless at some point? > >a few for starters, though maybe I am not sure by your definition, go for it! > >all the best >Mark > >I help on Digcoop - a shared community network connecting 29 properties in a housing association in London, via wires and wireless, offering shared low cost internet access and an intranet, started 2001 and we're still ticking along :-) > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: manchesterwireless-bounces+m.b.gaved=open.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of Andy Gauton >Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 1:55 PM >To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list >Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings > >> From: Darren Scales >> Forgive me if I'm wrong, but its like there were never >> any definite aims for this group! > >You are quite correct! >Hence John's (jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk) last post. >Unfortunately, there was a lot of talk, but not a lot of action. >Some of the work Darren and Harry were undertaking were indevelopment with varying results. These were personal projects and not necessarily part of the what the group wanted to achieve. > >Warrington Wireless was a success and still is (but again a personal project). I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is still running on a daily basis? Warrington Wireless was my project but wasn't to offer free net access, but instead share the cost. The project is actively running as a private network. > >> If this isn't the case, then what is the case? > >There is no longer a case and no one seems to know what Manchester Wireless is all about now? Hence, if this gets back into operation, the entire group, projects and aims need a radical rewrite. > >HARRY? DARREN STORER? GED et al? You lot still around? > >Andy :) > >_______________________________________________ >ManchesterWireless mailing list >ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > > > __________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > >__________ NOD32 1968 (20070109) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From darren at sirdaz.com Tue Jan 9 23:08:47 2007 From: darren at sirdaz.com (Darren Scales) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 23:08:47 +0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings In-Reply-To: <33816A2BC890764BAFE5F471DF4818E2042043@OC-STAFFMAIL1.oldham.ac.uk> References: <99205.78602.qm@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <33816A2BC890764BAFE5F471DF4818E2042043@OC-STAFFMAIL1.oldham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <59e45eee0701091508q40190089x691fa16d38a9bff8@mail.gmail.com> Ill sure be up for it, see how it is. Are they normally out of work hours you have these meetings? One thing I cant do at the moment is take time off from the hell hole.. . Darren On 09/01/07, Baker, George wrote: > > Hi > lets plan a meeting > > Place 3 Arrows ? > > Day Thursday ? > > Date ? ? > > Anyone up for it? > > George > > > -----Original Message----- > From: manchesterwireless-bounces+george.baker= > oldham.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of simon roberts > Sent: Tue 09/01/2007 20:35 > To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list > Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings > > also www.connect2manchester.co.uk > seem to be getting there > > SX > "M.B.Gaved" wrote: > go for it Manchester folks! > > >I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is still > running on a daily basis? > > Seems like James and the guys are doing ok with Boundless - > http://boundless.coop/ > > How about Redbricks and Yellowbricks? how are they doing these days? > > I see 3-C just won a grant for training over at Hebden Bridge so I guess > they are ticking along: http://www.3-c.coop/news/3-c-news21.html > > Community Broadband Network has had a fair bit of traffic on it : > http://www.broadband-uk.coop/ > - a variety of groups in there from small businesses to pressure groups to > folk closer to Manchester Wireless in nature but they've always been > friendly and helpful when I've chatted to them. > > vortex is still running East End Net: > http://www.free2air.org/section/eastendnet > > Athens Wireless Network: http://www.athenswireless.net/ > > Guada Wireless in Spain: http://guadawireless.net/ - didn't one of the > guys from there come over to Manchester Wireless at some point? > > a few for starters, though maybe I am not sure by your definition, go for > it! > > all the best > Mark > > I help on Digcoop - a shared community network connecting 29 properties in > a housing association in London, via wires and wireless, offering shared low > cost internet access and an intranet, started 2001 and we're still ticking > along :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: manchesterwireless-bounces+m.b.gaved=open.ac.uk at lists.pointless.neton behalf of Andy Gauton > Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 1:55 PM > To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list > Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings > > > From: Darren Scales > > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but its like there were never > > any definite aims for this group! > > You are quite correct! > Hence John's (jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk) last post. > Unfortunately, there was a lot of talk, but not a lot of action. > Some of the work Darren and Harry were undertaking were indevelopment with > varying results. These were personal projects and not necessarily part of > the what the group wanted to achieve. > > Warrington Wireless was a success and still is (but again a personal > project). I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is > still running on a daily basis? Warrington Wireless was my project but > wasn't to offer free net access, but instead share the cost. The project is > actively running as a private network. > > > If this isn't the case, then what is the case? > > There is no longer a case and no one seems to know what Manchester > Wireless is all about now? Hence, if this gets back into operation, the > entire group, projects and aims need a radical rewrite. > > HARRY? DARREN STORER? GED et al? You lot still around? > > Andy :) > > _______________________________________________ > ManchesterWireless mailing list > ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > ManchesterWireless mailing list > ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/attachments/20070109/f3fbafdc/attachment.html From George.Baker at oldham.ac.uk Tue Jan 9 23:51:01 2007 From: George.Baker at oldham.ac.uk (Baker, George) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 23:51:01 -0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings References: <99205.78602.qm@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><33816A2BC890764BAFE5F471DF4818E2042043@OC-STAFFMAIL1.oldham.ac.uk> <59e45eee0701091508q40190089x691fa16d38a9bff8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <33816A2BC890764BAFE5F471DF4818E2042047@OC-STAFFMAIL1.oldham.ac.uk> Hi I always felt guilty about Harry paying as well, he's a gent! How about the 18th 8pm, 'cos I think Darren is busy until later in the month and it would be good to have him, Harry and Ged (if they are still interested) 'cos they were the original founders I think. Hands up if you are interested George -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-bounces+george.baker=oldham.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of Darren Scales Sent: Tue 09/01/2007 23:08 To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings Ill sure be up for it, see how it is. Are they normally out of work hours you have these meetings? One thing I cant do at the moment is take time off from the hell hole.. . Darren On 09/01/07, Baker, George wrote: > > Hi > lets plan a meeting > > Place 3 Arrows ? > > Day Thursday ? > > Date ? ? > > Anyone up for it? > > George > > > -----Original Message----- > From: manchesterwireless-bounces+george.baker= > oldham.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of simon roberts > Sent: Tue 09/01/2007 20:35 > To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list > Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings > > also www.connect2manchester.co.uk > seem to be getting there > > SX > "M.B.Gaved" wrote: > go for it Manchester folks! > > >I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is still > running on a daily basis? > > Seems like James and the guys are doing ok with Boundless - > http://boundless.coop/ > > How about Redbricks and Yellowbricks? how are they doing these days? > > I see 3-C just won a grant for training over at Hebden Bridge so I guess > they are ticking along: http://www.3-c.coop/news/3-c-news21.html > > Community Broadband Network has had a fair bit of traffic on it : > http://www.broadband-uk.coop/ > - a variety of groups in there from small businesses to pressure groups to > folk closer to Manchester Wireless in nature but they've always been > friendly and helpful when I've chatted to them. > > vortex is still running East End Net: > http://www.free2air.org/section/eastendnet > > Athens Wireless Network: http://www.athenswireless.net/ > > Guada Wireless in Spain: http://guadawireless.net/ - didn't one of the > guys from there come over to Manchester Wireless at some point? > > a few for starters, though maybe I am not sure by your definition, go for > it! > > all the best > Mark > > I help on Digcoop - a shared community network connecting 29 properties in > a housing association in London, via wires and wireless, offering shared low > cost internet access and an intranet, started 2001 and we're still ticking > along :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: manchesterwireless-bounces+m.b.gaved=open.ac.uk at lists.pointless.neton behalf of Andy Gauton > Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 1:55 PM > To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list > Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings > > > From: Darren Scales > > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but its like there were never > > any definite aims for this group! > > You are quite correct! > Hence John's (jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk) last post. > Unfortunately, there was a lot of talk, but not a lot of action. > Some of the work Darren and Harry were undertaking were indevelopment with > varying results. These were personal projects and not necessarily part of > the what the group wanted to achieve. > > Warrington Wireless was a success and still is (but again a personal > project). I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is > still running on a daily basis? Warrington Wireless was my project but > wasn't to offer free net access, but instead share the cost. The project is > actively running as a private network. > > > If this isn't the case, then what is the case? > > There is no longer a case and no one seems to know what Manchester > Wireless is all about now? Hence, if this gets back into operation, the > entire group, projects and aims need a radical rewrite. > > HARRY? DARREN STORER? GED et al? 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Kind Regards Reuben -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com at lists.pointless.net [mailto:manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com at lists.pointle ss.net] On Behalf Of Baker, George Sent: 09 January 2007 23:51 To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings Hi I always felt guilty about Harry paying as well, he's a gent! How about the 18th 8pm, 'cos I think Darren is busy until later in the month and it would be good to have him, Harry and Ged (if they are still interested) 'cos they were the original founders I think. Hands up if you are interested George -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-bounces+george.baker=oldham.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of Darren Scales Sent: Tue 09/01/2007 23:08 To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings Ill sure be up for it, see how it is. Are they normally out of work hours you have these meetings? One thing I cant do at the moment is take time off from the hell hole.. . Darren On 09/01/07, Baker, George wrote: > > Hi > lets plan a meeting > > Place 3 Arrows ? > > Day Thursday ? > > Date ? ? > > Anyone up for it? > > George > > > -----Original Message----- > From: manchesterwireless-bounces+george.baker= > oldham.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of simon roberts > Sent: Tue 09/01/2007 20:35 > To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list > Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings > > also www.connect2manchester.co.uk > seem to be getting there > > SX > "M.B.Gaved" wrote: > go for it Manchester folks! > > >I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is still > running on a daily basis? > > Seems like James and the guys are doing ok with Boundless - > http://boundless.coop/ > > How about Redbricks and Yellowbricks? how are they doing these days? > > I see 3-C just won a grant for training over at Hebden Bridge so I guess > they are ticking along: http://www.3-c.coop/news/3-c-news21.html > > Community Broadband Network has had a fair bit of traffic on it : > http://www.broadband-uk.coop/ > - a variety of groups in there from small businesses to pressure groups to > folk closer to Manchester Wireless in nature but they've always been > friendly and helpful when I've chatted to them. > > vortex is still running East End Net: > http://www.free2air.org/section/eastendnet > > Athens Wireless Network: http://www.athenswireless.net/ > > Guada Wireless in Spain: http://guadawireless.net/ - didn't one of the > guys from there come over to Manchester Wireless at some point? > > a few for starters, though maybe I am not sure by your definition, go for > it! > > all the best > Mark > > I help on Digcoop - a shared community network connecting 29 properties in > a housing association in London, via wires and wireless, offering shared low > cost internet access and an intranet, started 2001 and we're still ticking > along :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: manchesterwireless-bounces+m.b.gaved=open.ac.uk at lists.pointless.neton behalf of Andy Gauton > Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 1:55 PM > To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list > Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings > > > From: Darren Scales > > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but its like there were never > > any definite aims for this group! > > You are quite correct! > Hence John's (jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk) last post. > Unfortunately, there was a lot of talk, but not a lot of action. > Some of the work Darren and Harry were undertaking were indevelopment with > varying results. These were personal projects and not necessarily part of > the what the group wanted to achieve. > > Warrington Wireless was a success and still is (but again a personal > project). I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is > still running on a daily basis? Warrington Wireless was my project but > wasn't to offer free net access, but instead share the cost. The project is > actively running as a private network. > > > If this isn't the case, then what is the case? > > There is no longer a case and no one seems to know what Manchester > Wireless is all about now? Hence, if this gets back into operation, the > entire group, projects and aims need a radical rewrite. > > HARRY? DARREN STORER? GED et al? You lot still around? > > Andy :) > > _______________________________________________ > ManchesterWireless mailing list > ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > ManchesterWireless mailing list > ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > > > From darren at sirdaz.com Wed Jan 10 07:33:48 2007 From: darren at sirdaz.com (Darren Scales) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:33:48 +0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings In-Reply-To: <45a446c2.49b4e37a.231f.ffffd15eSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <33816A2BC890764BAFE5F471DF4818E2042047@OC-STAFFMAIL1.oldham.ac.uk> <45a446c2.49b4e37a.231f.ffffd15eSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <59e45eee0701092333l2789ed82w1fb366c860bd497b@mail.gmail.com> I'm pretty sure I can come along on that date. Where about roughly is the 3 Arrows? Darren On 10/01/07, Reuben Finch wrote: > > Dear All, > > You can count me in for a meeting on Thursday 18th 8pm at the 3 Arrows. > > Great to see support! I am quite sure this meeting will be productive and > we > can come up with a practical agenda which is achievable. :) > > Has anyone contacted Harry yet? > > So for now let's see if this date is acceptable and try and make the best > of > it. > > Kind Regards > Reuben > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com at lists.pointless.net > [mailto: > manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com at lists.pointle > ss.net] On Behalf Of Baker, George > Sent: 09 January 2007 23:51 > To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list > Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings > > Hi > I always felt guilty about Harry paying as well, he's a gent! > > How about the 18th 8pm, 'cos I think Darren is busy until later in the > month > and it would be good to have him, Harry and Ged (if they are still > interested) 'cos they were the original founders I think. > > Hands up if you are interested > > George > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > manchesterwireless-bounces+george.baker=oldham.ac.uk at lists.pointless.neton > behalf of Darren Scales > Sent: Tue 09/01/2007 23:08 > To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list > Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings > > Ill sure be up for it, see how it is. Are they normally out of work hours > you have these meetings? One thing I cant do at the moment is take time > off > from the hell hole.. . > > Darren > > On 09/01/07, Baker, George wrote: > > > > Hi > > lets plan a meeting > > > > Place 3 Arrows ? > > > > Day Thursday ? > > > > Date ? ? > > > > Anyone up for it? > > > > George > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: manchesterwireless-bounces+george.baker= > > oldham.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of simon roberts > > Sent: Tue 09/01/2007 20:35 > > To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list > > Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings > > > > also www.connect2manchester.co.uk > > seem to be getting there > > > > SX > > "M.B.Gaved" wrote: > > go for it Manchester folks! > > > > >I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and is still > > running on a daily basis? > > > > Seems like James and the guys are doing ok with Boundless - > > http://boundless.coop/ > > > > How about Redbricks and Yellowbricks? how are they doing these days? > > > > I see 3-C just won a grant for training over at Hebden Bridge so I guess > > they are ticking along: http://www.3-c.coop/news/3-c-news21.html > > > > Community Broadband Network has had a fair bit of traffic on it : > > http://www.broadband-uk.coop/ > > - a variety of groups in there from small businesses to pressure groups > to > > folk closer to Manchester Wireless in nature but they've always been > > friendly and helpful when I've chatted to them. > > > > vortex is still running East End Net: > > http://www.free2air.org/section/eastendnet > > > > Athens Wireless Network: http://www.athenswireless.net/ > > > > Guada Wireless in Spain: http://guadawireless.net/ - didn't one of the > > guys from there come over to Manchester Wireless at some point? > > > > a few for starters, though maybe I am not sure by your definition, go > for > > it! > > > > all the best > > Mark > > > > I help on Digcoop - a shared community network connecting 29 properties > in > > a housing association in London, via wires and wireless, offering shared > low > > cost internet access and an intranet, started 2001 and we're still > ticking > > along :-) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > manchesterwireless-bounces+m.b.gaved=open.ac.uk at lists.pointless.netonbehalf > of Andy Gauton > > Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 1:55 PM > > To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list > > Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings > > > > > From: Darren Scales > > > Forgive me if I'm wrong, but its like there were never > > > any definite aims for this group! > > > > You are quite correct! > > Hence John's (jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk) last post. > > Unfortunately, there was a lot of talk, but not a lot of action. > > Some of the work Darren and Harry were undertaking were indevelopment > with > > varying results. These were personal projects and not necessarily part > of > > the what the group wanted to achieve. > > > > Warrington Wireless was a success and still is (but again a personal > > project). I am not aware of any other project that started, finished and > is > > still running on a daily basis? Warrington Wireless was my project but > > wasn't to offer free net access, but instead share the cost. The project > is > > actively running as a private network. > > > > > If this isn't the case, then what is the case? > > > > There is no longer a case and no one seems to know what Manchester > > Wireless is all about now? Hence, if this gets back into operation, the > > entire group, projects and aims need a radical rewrite. > > > > HARRY? DARREN STORER? GED et al? You lot still around? > > > > Andy :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ManchesterWireless mailing list > > ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ManchesterWireless mailing list > > ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net > > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ManchesterWireless mailing list > ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/attachments/20070110/22bc5d1b/attachment.html From hick.w.manchester at gink.org Wed Jan 10 08:04:50 2007 From: hick.w.manchester at gink.org (gARetH baBB) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:04:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, M.B.Gaved wrote: > I see 3-C just won a grant for training over at Hebden Bridge so I guess > they are ticking along: http://www.3-c.coop/news/3-c-news21.html I really wouldn't use 3-C as an example - they still have a 5-figure debt (most of it to the Phone Coop - now there's a shower of useless idiots), still completely disconnected from their members and a recent meeting/gathering which was partly about the training grant was attended by something like 3 people (excluding committee). They're ticking along alright, like a bomb ... From rob at manchesterwireless.net Wed Jan 10 11:24:12 2007 From: rob at manchesterwireless.net (Rob Kyle) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:24:12 +0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Manchester Wireless Meetings In-Reply-To: <003e01c733d3$d10d6320$4b7018ac@wla.int> References: <45a2e5c4.00e8d62d.34df.0127SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <59e45eee0701082338wb55fe16gdf61fc5d1e463df3@mail.gmail.com> <001501c733cc$5ce93200$4b7018ac@wla.int> <59e45eee0701090118x30cbc1f7pb716987941f11ca2@mail.gmail.com> <003e01c733d3$d10d6320$4b7018ac@wla.int> Message-ID: <1168428252.6880.147.camel@corsair.inf.ed.ac.uk> Hi, it's good to see some activity on the list, and people talking about doing things again... I thought I should clarify a few things about the status of manchesterwireless.net for those who are interested. As Andy said, the group was set up way back when ADSL was difficult to come by and very expensive - Our idea was that we could use wireless technology to build our own network which we could then use to share internet and intranet services at zero cost. In the process of trying to do this, we (a group of core members) set up "manchesterwireless.net" as a charity, so we would be able to raise funds and work with professional groups on a official basis. The machesterwireless.net charity has a constitution stating who we are and what we do, and a bank account for project funds. If you are interested in the aims of the official arm of manchesterwireless.net, you should read the constitution, which is online at: http://www.manchesterwireless.net/org/constitution-Web.pdf If there are enough people interested in continuuing the work of the charity, then there is an official process to go through if you want to make decisions on behalf of the charity (it's all in the constitution). On the other hand we also have the manchesterwireless.net mailing list - which is a discussion channel for anyone interested in related projects or ideas. So it is up to you: a) Get involved with the official arm of the group, and work towards the goals that the charity was set up to achieve b) Continue to use the mailing list for whatever projects or related discussion might interest you c) Start your own group which can be run to achieve other goals that you think are more important. Good luck, Rob On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 09:52 +0000, Andy Gauton wrote: > > Flood as much as you like. The list hasn't seen this much activ