From George.Baker at oldham.ac.uk Wed Aug 1 09:08:06 2007 From: George.Baker at oldham.ac.uk (Baker, George) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:08:06 +0100 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active? In-Reply-To: <000201c7d34f$51a31d70$a27018ac@wla.int> Message-ID: <33816A2BC890764BAFE5F471DF4818E2413393@OC-STAFFMAIL1.oldham.ac.uk> Hi I joined to learn more about wireless technology and did. Have I put it to practical use? Not really beyond Soho use George -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-bounces+george.baker=oldham.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net [mailto:manchesterwireless-bounces+george.baker=oldham.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net] On Behalf Of Andy Gauton Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:46 AM To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active? > The great majority of the people subscribed to this list > are a bunch of gonna do time wasters who never > achieve anything. Now prove me > wrong. Warrington Wireless :) But then again, we are a minority and live outside of Manchester, and a private network with different aims and goals to the group. That is one of successful and still working project that I am aware of ? (with much help and support from Manchester Wireless). Ok, that doesn't quite answer John's question (if a little harsh, but he does have a valid point) .... there must be other achievements? Whether locally or further a field? Edit - just noticed a few more replies. Good to hear of other achievements :) I have to admit, there has always been a lot of talk and no action over the years. I'm sure that other people have there own achievements thanks to help from the group. It would be good to hear from you :) Manchester Wireless group aims and goals need a major revamp and a vision to head towards. It's been mentioned recently and many times before. I'm keen to progress with the group (as I'm sure others are as well). It needs direction and leadership and a total rewrite of the website. Keeping the current content on the website is only confusing people, and people hoping to get "free" internet (the original aim). It's unlikely to happen, unless there is a viable "business" model. There are many other options available that we could try. Linking networks together just the sake of "we've done it" could be a start? Good to see some activity again on the list. Needs the founders to lead the group. If not, then we may need to question why are we still here? Shame if this happens. The problem is - to move forward needs support from a number of people. Whether the support is there I don't know? The last meeting attempt, well, it was a complete disaster due to very poor planning and no agenda. What do people want out of the group? Why are you subscribed to the list? Be honest, as this would help everyone decide whether we move forward or stay stationary. If people do decide to respond, please don't flame anyone, a nice open and honest feedback session can do wonders :) if people are on the list just for free internet, then thats fine as the website "promotes" it. It would be good to hear from you. It would be good to see us bring the group back into 2007 and beyond. That needs support and people. Without it, we'll still be stuck in 2005. Up to you guys and girls I guess :) ... not that I'm missing the 3 Arrows and it's fantastic sandwiches or anything :) But to put into perspective, those who wanted to get something out of the group made the effort to attend - it was out of the way for most people (especially me!) but I made the effort and glad I did. The other problem is the lack of regulars - only a very small handful but a large turnover of newcomers. I think the lack of actual "doing" rather than talking prevented the newcomers from attending again...... Do we move forward with the group???............ Regards Andy :) _______________________________________________ ManchesterWireless mailing list ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless From George.Baker at oldham.ac.uk Wed Aug 1 09:10:33 2007 From: George.Baker at oldham.ac.uk (Baker, George) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:10:33 +0100 Subject: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active? In-Reply-To: <000301c7d379$57cacac0$07606040$@finch@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <33816A2BC890764BAFE5F471DF4818E2413394@OC-STAFFMAIL1.oldham.ac.uk> Hi That's a definite MAYBE from me How about a trip that includes a Radio Rally? George -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-bounces+george=networktrainer.co.uk at lists.pointless.net [mailto:manchesterwireless-bounces+george=networktrainer.co.uk at lists.pointless.net] On Behalf Of Reuben Finch Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:47 PM To: 'Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list' Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active? I just say we should organise a "Day Out" where we can all get together, maybe hire a minibus or two and make it more of an informal social event whereby we could actually "bounce idea's around and get some real direction and build some enthusiasm up. I sincerely feel we can harp on all we like on the mailing list, but a good social event without pressure of achieving some strict goal immediately albeit a good time to get together would help. Maybe take a trip to winter hill and other key places and see what is feasibly possible to achieve with wireless and the contacts we have. As always, if we have no structure or good foundation we have no future. The idea in my mind, would be to have an enjoyable time and lets see what can be done "realistically". Besides a good day out... or weekend is a good excuse to get away from the wife and kids. Honest Scouts Honour! What do you think? Kind Regards, Reuben -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com at lists.pointless.net [mailto:manchesterwireless-bounces+reuben.finch=btinternet.com at lists.pointle ss.net] On Behalf Of Andy Gauton Sent: 31 July 2007 09:46 To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] Anyone still active? > The great majority of the people subscribed to this list > are a bunch of gonna do time wasters who never > achieve anything. Now prove me > wrong. Warrington Wireless :) But then again, we are a minority and live outside of Manchester, and a private network with different aims and goals to the group. That is one of successful and still working project that I am aware of ? (with much help and support from Manchester Wireless). Ok, that doesn't quite answer John's question (if a little harsh, but he does have a valid point) .... there must be other achievements? Whether locally or further a field? Edit - just noticed a few more replies. Good to hear of other achievements :) I have to admit, there has always been a lot of talk and no action over the years. I'm sure that other people have there own achievements thanks to help from the group. It would be good to hear from you :) Manchester Wireless group aims and goals need a major revamp and a vision to head towards. It's been mentioned recently and many times before. I'm keen to progress with the group (as I'm sure others are as well). It needs direction and leadership and a total rewrite of the website. Keeping the current content on the website is only confusing people, and people hoping to get "free" internet (the original aim). It's unlikely to happen, unless there is a viable "business" model. There are many other options available that we could try. Linking networks together just the sake of "we've done it" could be a start? Good to see some activity again on the list. Needs the founders to lead the group. If not, then we may need to question why are we still here? Shame if this happens. The problem is - to move forward needs support from a number of people. Whether the support is there I don't know? The last meeting attempt, well, it was a complete disaster due to very poor planning and no agenda. What do people want out of the group? Why are you subscribed to the list? Be honest, as this would help everyone decide whether we move forward or stay stationary. If people do decide to respond, please don't flame anyone, a nice open and honest feedback session can do wonders :) if people are on the list just for free internet, then thats fine as the website "promotes" it. It would be good to hear from you. It would be good to see us bring the group back into 2007 and beyond. That needs support and people. Without it, we'll still be stuck in 2005. Up to you guys and girls I guess :) ... not that I'm missing the 3 Arrows and it's fantastic sandwiches or anything :) But to put into perspective, those who wanted to get something out of the group made the effort to attend - it was out of the way for most people (especially me!) but I made the effort and glad I did. The other problem is the lack of regulars - only a very small handful but a large turnover of newcomers. I think the lack of actual "doing" rather than talking prevented the newcomers from attending again...... Do we move forward with the group???............ Regards Andy :) _______________________________________________ ManchesterWireless mailing list ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless _______________________________________________ ManchesterWireless mailing list ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless