From r at schestowitz.com Sat Dec 2 12:22:54 2006 From: r at schestowitz.com (Roy Schestowitz) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 12:22:54 +0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] BBC: Free City-wide Wi-Fi Comes to Manchester? Message-ID: <20061202122254.pd7ogds3l6kg8w8w@banana.catalyst2.com> Hi folks, I thought you might want to read the following: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6199382.stm Manchester plans free city wi-fi "Up to 2.2m people could benefit from the scheme Manchester could become the biggest free wireless internet hotspot in Europe under plans unveiled by the city council." Oh, gads. The radiation... *smile* Best wishes, Roy -- Roy S. Schestowitz, Ph.D. Candidate in Medical Biophysics http://Schestowitz.com | GNU/Linux | PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E http://othellomaster.com >> GPL-licensed 3-D Othello http://iuron.com >> proposing an Open Source, non-profit search engine Open Source journalism contributer @ http://newassignment.net Contributer @ http://boycottnovell.com From jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk Sat Dec 2 20:37:38 2006 From: jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk (jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 20:37:38 +0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] BBC: Free City-wide Wi-Fi Comes to Manchester? In-Reply-To: <20061202122254.pd7ogds3l6kg8w8w@banana.catalyst2.com> References: <20061202122254.pd7ogds3l6kg8w8w@banana.catalyst2.com> Message-ID: Yea we kinda mist the boat didn't we? On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 12:22:54 +0000, you wrote: >Hi folks, > >I thought you might want to read the following: > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6199382.stm > >Manchester plans free city wi-fi > >"Up to 2.2m people could benefit from the scheme >Manchester could become the biggest free wireless internet hotspot in >Europe under plans unveiled by the city council." > >Oh, gads. The radiation... *smile* > >Best wishes, > >Roy From james at spc.org Sat Dec 2 21:43:37 2006 From: james at spc.org (james stevens) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 21:43:37 +0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] BBC: Free City-wide Wi-Fi Comes to Manchester? In-Reply-To: References: <20061202122254.pd7ogds3l6kg8w8w@banana.catalyst2.com> Message-ID: <4571F389.6050908@spc.org> Hey, That 'boat' is still in the dock..and the only reality for metropolitan networks is a perpetuation of lame assertions and ham fisted inaction.. just a distraction from the passive freenetwork infrastructure work most needed. Manchesterwireless has so much to offer (not least some top notch engineers on hand) and so little to lose by following through on even the simplest public network proposal... Last I visited it was going to be a red,yellow,pink brick-zion core and a consolidation of effort at Urbis for town centre impact.. so did you all get a job or something? jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk wrote: > Yea we kinda mist the boat didn't we? > Norwich local authority boasted a mesh wireless network in May which is still non existent http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5297884.stm "The one thing we don't want to do is compete with commercial companies," said Mr Adams. Sure you don't.. cos Before then it was Westminster (one of the many wishful thinkers) http://www.newswireless.net/index.cfm/article/2256 (ha ha ha) and Cardiff posed for cameras in 2002.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2251565.stm - whooh we have 50 users "all dead yet still alive" a figment of their imaginations so to be specific NO you didn't miss the boat.. there isn't one, get on with it then.... easy James consume.net | boundless.coop | spc.org > > On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 12:22:54 +0000, you wrote: > > >> Hi folks, >> >> I thought you might want to read the following: >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6199382.stm >> >> Manchester plans free city wi-fi >> >> "Up to 2.2m people could benefit from the scheme >> Manchester could become the biggest free wireless internet hotspot in >> Europe under plans unveiled by the city council." >> >> Oh, gads. The radiation... *smile* >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Roy >> > > _______________________________________________ > ManchesterWireless mailing list > ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > From M.B.Gaved at open.ac.uk Sat Dec 2 21:56:26 2006 From: M.B.Gaved at open.ac.uk (M.B.Gaved) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:56:26 -0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] BBC: Free City-wide Wi-Fi Comesto Manchester? Message-ID: I'll add to that list of mythical city wide networks the much promoted (round here in Milton Keynes anyway) Milton Keynes free city wide wireless network which was apparently live 01 August 2006 but doesn't exist outside of press releases like this one from ZDNet http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/0,1000000085,39271297,00.htm Doesn't exist as far as I can work out as a resident of MK who's tried to find it with my laptop, the network guys at the Open University and my housemate who works in the town centre internet caff. regards Mark http://kmi.open.ac.uk/people/mark -----Original Message----- From: manchesterwireless-bounces+m.b.gaved=open.ac.uk at lists.pointless.net on behalf of james stevens Sent: Sat 12/2/2006 9:43 PM To: Manchester's Wireless Community Network discussion list Subject: Re: [manchesterwireless] BBC: Free City-wide Wi-Fi Comesto Manchester? Hey, That 'boat' is still in the dock..and the only reality for metropolitan networks is a perpetuation of lame assertions and ham fisted inaction.. just a distraction from the passive freenetwork infrastructure work most needed. Manchesterwireless has so much to offer (not least some top notch engineers on hand) and so little to lose by following through on even the simplest public network proposal... Last I visited it was going to be a red,yellow,pink brick-zion core and a consolidation of effort at Urbis for town centre impact.. so did you all get a job or something? jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk wrote: > Yea we kinda mist the boat didn't we? > Norwich local authority boasted a mesh wireless network in May which is still non existent http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5297884.stm "The one thing we don't want to do is compete with commercial companies," said Mr Adams. Sure you don't.. cos Before then it was Westminster (one of the many wishful thinkers) http://www.newswireless.net/index.cfm/article/2256 (ha ha ha) and Cardiff posed for cameras in 2002.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2251565.stm - whooh we have 50 users "all dead yet still alive" a figment of their imaginations so to be specific NO you didn't miss the boat.. there isn't one, get on with it then.... easy James consume.net | boundless.coop | spc.org > > On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 12:22:54 +0000, you wrote: > > >> Hi folks, >> >> I thought you might want to read the following: >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6199382.stm >> >> Manchester plans free city wi-fi >> >> "Up to 2.2m people could benefit from the scheme >> Manchester could become the biggest free wireless internet hotspot in >> Europe under plans unveiled by the city council." >> >> Oh, gads. The radiation... *smile* >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Roy >> > > _______________________________________________ > ManchesterWireless mailing list > ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net > http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > _______________________________________________ ManchesterWireless mailing list ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4675 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://pointless.net/pipermail/manchesterwireless/attachments/20061202/99e0b11c/attachment.bin From jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk Sat Dec 2 22:39:22 2006 From: jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk (jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 22:39:22 +0000 Subject: [manchesterwireless] BBC: Free City-wide Wi-Fi Comes to Manchester? In-Reply-To: <4571F389.6050908@spc.org> References: <20061202122254.pd7ogds3l6kg8w8w@banana.catalyst2.com> <4571F389.6050908@spc.org> Message-ID: The boat might still be in the dock but all the sailors are off on sick leave. There doesn't appear to be any motivation to get anything done at all which is a pity. John. On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 21:43:37 +0000, you wrote: >Hey, > >That 'boat' is still in the dock..and the only reality for metropolitan >networks is a perpetuation of lame assertions and ham fisted inaction.. >just a distraction from the passive freenetwork infrastructure work most >needed. Manchesterwireless has so much to offer (not least some top >notch engineers on hand) and so little to lose by following through on >even the simplest public network proposal... > >Last I visited it was going to be a red,yellow,pink brick-zion core and >a consolidation of effort at Urbis for town centre impact.. so did you >all get a job or something? > >jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk wrote: >> Yea we kinda mist the boat didn't we? >> >Norwich local authority boasted a mesh wireless network in May which is >still non existent >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5297884.stm >"The one thing we don't want to do is compete with commercial >companies," said Mr Adams. >Sure you don't.. cos > >Before then it was Westminster (one of the many wishful thinkers) >http://www.newswireless.net/index.cfm/article/2256 (ha ha ha) > >and Cardiff posed for cameras in 2002.. >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2251565.stm - whooh we have 50 users > >"all dead yet still alive" a figment of their imaginations > >so to be specific NO you didn't miss the boat.. there isn't one, > >get on with it then.... > >easy > >James >consume.net | boundless.coop | spc.org >> >> On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 12:22:54 +0000, you wrote: >> >> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> I thought you might want to read the following: >>> >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6199382.stm >>> >>> Manchester plans free city wi-fi >>> >>> "Up to 2.2m people could benefit from the scheme >>> Manchester could become the biggest free wireless internet hotspot in >>> Europe under plans unveiled by the city council." >>> >>> Oh, gads. The radiation... *smile* >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Roy >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ManchesterWireless mailing list >> ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net >> http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless >> > > >_______________________________________________ >ManchesterWireless mailing list >ManchesterWireless at lists.pointless.net >http://pointless.net/mailman/listinfo/manchesterwireless > >__________ NOD32 1897 (20061201) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > From goot at the-crow.co.uk Mon Dec 4 09:46:56 2006 From: goot at the-crow.co.uk (Andy Gauton) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:46:56 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [manchesterwireless] BBC: Free City-wide Wi-Fi Comes to Manchester? In-Reply-To: References: <20061202122254.pd7ogds3l6kg8w8w@banana.catalyst2.com> <4571F389.6050908@spc.org> Message-ID: <38967.212.248.237.101.1165225616.squirrel@mail.the-crow.co.uk> On Sat, December 2, 2006 22:39, jgxhs at nessie.mcc.ac.uk said: > The boat might still be in the dock but all the sailors are off on > sick leave. There doesn't appear to be any motivation to get anything > done at all which is a pity. Which is a damn shame, because we had so much to offer. The problem being the 'vision' (which unfortunatelty was at least 12months out of date) didn't take off quick enough due to one thing or another, then ADSL became much widely available. However, we should have adapted to it rather than trying to compete with it ie. offered local community facilities, email accounts, NAS facilities being the main service on offer with the possibility of internet access. There were a very small group of us left before the final hurdle about 12months ago, but we just couldn't get enough support to keep going as a group. Many would say Manchester Wireless never achieved anything physical. It did, the spin off Warrington Wireless. There are only a couple of us left on Warrington Wireless network, but we are aiming to offer NAS facililies and proper domain authentication in the not so distant future. It is now a closed network, but running strong. If it wasn't for certain members help on Manchester Wireless, Warrington Wireless would never have seen the light of day. So a big thank you again for all your help :) Andy :)